Ok....

So the NHS was formed in 1948 when the population of the UK was about 48m. Today its 65m and growing. The number of people using it are accelerating beyond what the government can easily collect in tax without adversley affecting the economy (sure you'll disagree, but thats another argument). The basic idea (and i've not actually read the tory manifesto yet) is that people should pay more than they currently do at point of use - it seems (as i said i've not read the manifesto) theres an option to pay into an insurance scheme which pays the point of use which eventually is taken from your overall wealth/estate. The devil will be in the detail of capping it at a level where the less well off get it all for free and the wealthier pay more. Which they already do in tax. It seems mechanism in which people should be able to afford to pay more towards their healthcare.

Also, Fundamentally if you tax corporations too much you encourage them to move elsewhere (Dyson being a good example) which means job losses putting a strain on welfare and no tax being paid into this country by the company. Tax avoidance of course is another subject.

Posted By: Cheltenham_Canary on May 18th 2017 at 16:15:18

Message Thread

Anyone noticed the Tory social care plans? (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, May 18, 14:09:36
- Mighty big assumption that your house will be worth the same when you die (n/m) (NCFC) - glasgow, May 18, 16:16:56
  - It wont.... (NCFC) - Cheltenham_Canary, May 18, 18:10:06
- Yawn! (NCFC) - Cheltenham_Canary, May 18, 14:50:00
  - You're one of the board's proud Tories, Chelts... just a sneer? (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 18, 15:56:37
    - Good on the Tories I say! (n/m) (NCFC) - Men without hats, May 18, 17:32:30
    - Ok.... (NCFC) - Cheltenham_Canary, May 18, 16:15:18
      - Corporation tax is much higher in Germany... (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, May 18, 17:12:45
        
        Yebbut not in eastern europe (where Dyson set up) (n/m) (NCFC) - Cheltenham_Canary, May 18, 18:00:55
      - Ok, thank you for the response (NCFC) - norway, May 18, 16:22:19
        
        The proposed new cut off is over four times what it is at the moment (£23K) (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, May 18, 16:43:19
        
        Wrong (n/m) (NCFC) - Bristol Graham, May 18, 17:48:35
        
        Wrong (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, May 18, 17:14:14
        
        still wrong... (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 18, 16:51:33
        
        I think the point though Kirrie is that the means testing system only (NCFC) - Jim, May 18, 16:51:02
        
        it probably won't come down to choice though will it? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 18, 16:58:13
        
        But are they not saying that (NCFC) - Jim, May 18, 17:07:58
        
        all of that is irrelevant to my point (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 18, 20:21:52
        
        Sorry that maximum obviously could be more if they have savings as well (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 18, 17:08:45
        
        But is the point not that it doesn't hit them - it comes off their estate? (NCFC) - Jim, May 18, 16:33:31
        
        Ahhh the NHS fiasco makes sense now .. (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, May 18, 17:50:52
  - No social care to be provided by the state for people with more than £100k in assets (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, May 18, 15:03:44
    - currently looking through the Tory Manifesto (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 18, 16:00:55
      - Fourth one down (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, May 18, 16:08:37
        
        OK I saw that part in the manifesto (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 18, 16:20:24
        
        Here (n/m) (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, May 18, 16:35:32
        
        Doh page 64/65 (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, May 18, 16:35:46
        
        Cba (n/m) (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, May 18, 16:52:12
        
        CBA? = Cant be asked (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 18, 16:58:37
        
        Ok show me the part (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 18, 16:50:25
        
        Tories are to merge social care and health care (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, May 18, 17:52:58
    - While private landlords continue to get £9 BILLION a year from housing benefit. (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, May 18, 15:05:46
      - I was a private landlord with a housing association tenant. (NCFC) - Men without hats, May 18, 17:47:44
      - and the Tories give tax cuts for huge corperations (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, May 18, 15:17:35
- Seems pretty fair to me (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, May 18, 14:48:06
  - Well it is the opposite of fair, to be fair. (NCFC) - norway, May 18, 16:18:59
    - More than four times the current figure! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, May 18, 16:44:29
      - wrong. Property is not currently included at all (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 18, 16:50:53
        
        So how do labour propose to fill the deficit gap? Seems to me it's the middle classes (NCFC) - Men without hats, May 18, 17:53:36
        
        Labour want to raise tax on people who earn more than 80K per year (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, May 18, 18:03:06
    - You've made the mistake of thinking I actually want to debate with known troll, Larry Hagm (NCFC) - lurd, May 18, 16:25:49
- Oh well (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, May 18, 14:46:29
- Of which most Tory MPs will be executive directors of G4SCare (n/m) (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, May 18, 14:46:08
  - Mr May is a large shareholder in G4S (n/m) (NCFC) - bobble, May 18, 16:50:43
  - Yep (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, May 18, 14:52:56
- she's bought the media off by confirming plans to drop Leveson 2 (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 18, 14:39:46
  - yawn, is it time for bed already? (n/m) (NCFC) - Men without hats, May 18, 17:54:37
    - nothing worthwhile to add? there's a surprise... (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, May 18, 21:02:34
  - Yep (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, May 18, 14:52:22
- nope, have you got a shed? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, May 18, 14:27:48

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