Thing is, sovereignty is often illusory in any event

We think we have control over all kinds of things that the global economic environment means we really can't control.

On the flip side, having started from a very pro-Europe position politically and then worked in Brussels for some time, the way the institutions work is really hard to defend with a straight face. The waste of money is colossal and in a time of austerity Something Really Should Be Done (case in point: shifting the entire EP to Strasbourg for one day a week, completely f**king pointless and hugely f**king expensive).

The problem is politics gets in the way: with 27 member states, each needs to feel it has commensurate influence on Things That Matter, and the bureaucracy has to be seen to be believed.

Posted By: Old Man on May 3rd 2013 at 10:00:22

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What I find puzzling is the huge support for UKIP in farming areas when .. (General Chat) - trustsec, May 3, 07:38:24
- Its not that complicated. A lot of people hate the EU and the fact we have (General Chat) - Jim, May 3, 08:42:12
  - Can you help an interested but ignorant voter out? (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, May 3, 08:52:22
    - Thing is, sovereignty is often illusory in any event (General Chat) - Old Man, May 3, 10:00:22
    - Cor, spot the non-lawyer (badge of pride, I know, I know) (General Chat) - Old Git, May 3, 09:25:31
      - Right. Thank you. But what I'm really after is actual examples (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, May 3, 09:34:27
        
        THEY BANNED BENDY BANANAS!! (General Chat) - Cart Gap Disco, May 3, 10:00:57
        
        It's a dramatic interpretation of what they actually did (General Chat) - King, May 3, 10:29:07
        
        Text and Data Mining exception to copyright (General Chat) - Old Man, May 3, 09:57:14
        
        That sounds like it would be a huge vote winner for UKIP. A really banner to rally behind. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, May 3, 09:58:38
        
        No absolutely not. But it's a concrete example that I have some profeshnial knowledge of (General Chat) - Old Man, May 3, 10:02:10
        
        AB doesn't actually want any real examples (General Chat) - Old Git, May 3, 10:05:27
        
        No no no, not at all. I just wanted to understand if there was more to that surrender of (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, May 3, 10:17:29
        
        Ok, pols (General Chat) - Old Git, May 3, 10:20:37
        
        "... regaining a bit of that sovereignty *shouldn't* necessarily ..." (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, May 3, 10:18:28
        
        my two pennith worth.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, May 3, 10:24:15
        
        that's a case in poin though (General Chat) - CWC, May 3, 10:32:29
        
        Its also the physical barrier between the UK and mainland Europe that causes the (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, May 3, 10:30:14
        
        Farage knew (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, May 3, 10:21:13
        
        "What are the things that Farage wants the country to do that at the moment we cannot?" (General Chat) - CWC, May 3, 09:46:16
        
        ^^^This is the correct answer (General Chat) - King, May 3, 10:17:15
        
        well there's the stop members of other EU countries moving here bit (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, May 3, 09:45:55
        
        "Wuh! Foreigns!" (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, May 3, 09:58:52
        
        That's a very crude take on the immigration debate (General Chat) - Old Git, May 3, 10:03:33
        
        Yes, you're absolutely right, and I apologise for that. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, May 3, 10:26:20
        
        Basically, people that work harder, more honestly and all that for less money (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, May 3, 10:25:22
    - here... (General Chat) - Tombs, May 3, 09:21:06
      - The first three cited sources (General Chat) - King, May 3, 10:10:38
        
        Blimey, another non-reader! (General Chat) - Old Git, May 3, 10:14:23
        
        Haha (General Chat) - King, May 3, 10:19:09
      - Mmm. Quite a lot of fairy stories there, really aren't there? (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, May 3, 09:49:00
        
        Ha ha - you didn't actually read it, did you? (General Chat) - Old Git, May 3, 10:12:17
        
        I meant the second link - the UKIP manifesto. Should've made that clear. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, May 3, 10:38:23
- Don't forget the EU farm subsidies (General Chat) - Waddockhunt, May 3, 07:45:26
  - "Dick Seaman" - that must be a made up name (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, May 3, 08:08:37
    - I bet he has some prize winning bullocks (n/m) (General Chat) - Waddockhunt, May 3, 08:13:58
  - For example (General Chat) - Waddockhunt, May 3, 07:49:50
- even in rural areas I suspect the vast majority of voters aren't farmers (n/m) (General Chat) - mr carra, May 3, 07:41:46
  - Tis true, I based it on the huge number of pro UKIP signs in farm fields (n/m) (General Chat) - trustsec, May 3, 08:06:18

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