It is not their job to oppose the withdrawal agreement for the sake of it

Their stance on this has been from the outset that they would reject whatever deal May got and they have been very open about why - to force a general election. they oppose the withdrawal agreement on the basis that it leaves us potentially stuck in the customs union under the backstop arrangements whilst promoting their proposed solution of a permanent customs union!

I agree though that it has been a screw up from start to finish. The two biggest errors being (1) serving article 50 before we have bottomed out a lot of this detail and (2) agreeing to compartmentalise the process into the withdrawal agreement, transition and the future relationship agreement. That was a massive, massive error and had they not done it then the "backstop" issue would not have arisen because it was hugely obvious that you cannot sort the permanent solution to the northern ireland border situation without knowing what the future relationship will be.

Posted By: Jim on January 16th 2019 at 11:55:37

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With apologies to Tombs: political content (Betting) - Old Man, Jan 16, 06:56:41
- Looks like her 'cross party talks' will exclude Corbyn, one of the few people in Parliment (Betting) - megson, Jan 16, 09:37:26
  - Corbyn has positioned himself into irrelevance (Betting) - Ben, Jan 16, 13:34:26
  - They have all been very poor (Betting) - Jim, Jan 16, 09:40:28
    - This^^^^. Scrap the biggest scam ever, then have a GE with realigned parties (Betting) - Dunney, Jan 16, 09:49:30
    - Opposition oppose, that is their job. You can't blame the opposition for the failures (Betting) - megson, Jan 16, 09:48:16
      - had Lab opposed A50 then the election would've been easily won by the tories (Betting) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jan 16, 15:14:59
        
        How so? Labour got a lot of Remain votes in the GE. (Betting) - megson, Jan 16, 15:28:22
      - It is not their job to oppose the withdrawal agreement for the sake of it (Betting) - Jim, Jan 16, 11:55:37
- If they sort the Irish backstop then this deal will get voted through (Betting) - Jim, Jan 16, 09:19:01
  - backstop is integral to the deal (Betting) - CWC, Jan 16, 13:55:50
    - I don;t disagree - If they just gave themselves time to sort out (Betting) - Jim, Jan 16, 14:14:38
      - obvious solution, which could have been implemented 2 years ago (Betting) - CWC, Jan 16, 15:24:28
  - So fuck the Irish, then? Not now, but later, having got our deal. (Betting) - Dunney, Jan 16, 09:55:33
  - nope. the backstop might be what stopped many from voting it through - but there's plenty (Betting) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 16, 09:30:49
    - The Good Friday agreement will remain in place whatever is agreed (Betting) - Jim, Jan 16, 09:35:57
      - Yoir para 1 is an incorrect assumption (Betting) - CWC, Jan 16, 14:00:12
        
        That's not exactly what it says though (n/m) (Betting) - Jim, Jan 16, 14:13:40
        
        well no (Betting) - CWC, Jan 16, 15:31:29
      - oh well then - if Jim from The Wrath says it'll be ok, then fuck all the experts... (Betting) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 16, 09:56:36
        
        You do get really pissy sometimes don't you Ralf! (Betting) - Men without hats, Jan 16, 10:02:57
        
        I watched a video about roofing on YouTube, therefore I know more about it than you do (Betting) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 16, 10:34:22
        
        You won't find any experts saying leave is better (Betting) - Dunney, Jan 16, 10:17:42
        
        Not true. There are good reasons for leaving the EU. We just never hear them (Betting) - Higher Wrather, Jan 16, 10:30:41
        
        Can you give one known, not wishlist or maybe, benefit (Betting) - Dunney, Jan 16, 11:10:10
- Polls suggested a remain win first time round too (n/m) (Betting) - jAC, Jan 16, 08:11:46
  - What was no deal or May’s deal? (n/m) (Betting) - SCC 28, Jan 16, 13:46:01
  - Exactly. Polls unreliable. Especially if they predict a 'narrow' difference. (n/m) (Betting) - pab, Jan 16, 08:20:22
- May wins, early ge loses,ref2 loses, alternative voted down. Hard brexit. (n/m) (Betting) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jan 16, 07:58:45
  - Hahaha. (n/m) (Betting) - Dunney, Jan 16, 09:42:04
  - Not a chance. (n/m) (Betting) - norway, Jan 16, 08:26:46
    - Sadly I can see that happening (n/m) (Betting) - Steve in Holland, Jan 16, 09:18:07
  - no hard brexit (Betting) - CWC, Jan 16, 08:14:31
    - Can’t see them revoking (n/m) (Betting) - Steve in Holland, Jan 16, 09:18:25
    - What will be interesting this year are the European elections. (Betting) - Men without hats, Jan 16, 08:55:17
- Also suits labour to lose it (Betting) - CWC, Jan 16, 07:11:41
  - the leave vote faced the same uphill struggle last time (Betting) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 16, 08:09:07
    - Bloody bots come over here rigging our voting system. (n/m) (Betting) - Men without hats, Jan 16, 08:56:51
  - I can’t see any outcome that won’t leave both parties ripped in two (Betting) - SimonOTBC, Jan 16, 07:58:31

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