The senior leaders at the club have got themselves in a great big hole
By, it seems, being simply unable to avoid the temptation to dig out the fan base at every opportunity over recent years. We have a lot of fans who are never happy. It's a bunch of bitter snakepit divorcees. The club is amazingly well run and if you can't see it its your problem. I don't even recognise concerns around Mrs Webber's role creating a potential conflict, and to even question that is very stupid. Transfers have been excellent, and you should all shut up and be grateful. It's the fans fault the team hasnt winning, because we arent making any noise (despite the team/management serving up terrible football and bad results).
You dont have to think back too hard to find countless examples of stuff like this. Right?
And yes at the heart of a lot of it was Stu, who clearly thought we were ungrateful, ignorant c**ts. Every bit of media he did over his final years made this very plain. Thank god he is gone. The man was toxic, and will be toxic wherever he goe.
Now the thing is....even if all this is true, and the fans are ignorant and ungrateful, what possible benefit is there in saying this out loud so many times. What organisation ever got itself in a good place, pointing out how thick and ungrateful its main customers/stakeholders were? It is so mental as a strategy, I just dont know what their media relations/fan out reach team are doing.
You're in a hole with a significant minority of the fan base. Just stop f**king digging! Stop saying provocative things ffs. Maybe, given that things clearly have been perfect, open up a little bit? We're doing our best....we are outgunned on resources, but we still try to compete as best we can....not every decision has been perfect, and we try to learn from everything, things that go well, things that dont.
FWIW, Knapper did a good job with his interview. He didnt blame the fans for anything. He said they all knew it hadnt been great over the autumn. A lot of work has been going on to make it better. Things are now getting better. That work will continue.
See? It's not f**king hard is it? Alternatively, I suppose he could have started by saying what an amazing job he's doing, how everything is perfect, and how he agrees with Delia and is sick of the sight of the fanbase, who are all entitled morons. Would adopting that tone have made booing more, or less likely do we think?
Posted By: Under soil heating on February 15th 2024 at 12:36:26
Message Thread
- Can't really argue with any of this (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 15, 10:21:47
- Spot On. Nail hit firmly on the head. (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Splat, Feb 15, 14:24:57
- We booed the manager making an early sub which had cost us winning the game before. (NCFC) - DH Yellow, Feb 15, 14:12:25
- But he explained clearly WHY he did it after the QPR game (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Feb 15, 19:23:32
- I'd suggest that there are two e's in divorcees. Pretty sloppy (n/m) (NCFC) - MonkeyPuzzle, Feb 15, 12:45:35
- He’s making the reasonable assumption that they are male (NCFC) - Old Git, Feb 15, 12:48:21
- I know it's a long shot but.... (NCFC) - usacanary, Feb 15, 12:34:23
- ^Taylor Swift^ American and always going on about Haterz (n/m) (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Feb 15, 13:06:35
- 5% chance (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 12:35:43
- Me too. Thanks for the tip, whoever it was! (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Feb 15, 12:56:08
- Stroud I think! (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 12:58:34
- The reason its so high is.... (NCFC) - usacanary, Feb 15, 14:14:13
- Coventry are 11/1 (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 14:24:51
- Clearly we should be the bookie in that case. (NCFC) - usacanary, Feb 15, 14:39:49
- Coventry are 11/1 (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 14:24:51
- The reason its so high is.... (NCFC) - usacanary, Feb 15, 14:14:13
- Stroud I think! (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 12:58:34
- The math(s) (NCFC) - usacanary, Feb 15, 12:48:23
- Market is around 22% chance of playoffs (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 12:52:21
- Those two clearly corelate with each other (NCFC) - usacanary, Feb 15, 13:07:15
- Market is around 22% chance of playoffs (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 12:52:21
- Me too. Thanks for the tip, whoever it was! (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Feb 15, 12:56:08
- I wonder if this will be the answer? Arsenals Number 2 for new manager (NCFC) - megson, Feb 15, 12:15:47
- is their something wrong with our current manager (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Feb 15, 12:32:31
- The answer to the division mentioned in the article the parent post linked to. (NCFC) - megson, Feb 15, 12:39:16
- Surely this is more negative to Wagner than a few boos? (n/m) (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Feb 15, 12:22:31
- Club doesn't control the national media, could be nothing in it. (NCFC) - megson, Feb 15, 12:28:20
- But is that the issue? A few things have made me think (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Feb 15, 12:32:23
- Maybe the comment about the summer (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 12:38:39
- See what you mean, (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, Feb 15, 12:37:02
- The interview after the game reminded me when i left my job (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Feb 15, 12:42:43
- But is that the issue? A few things have made me think (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Feb 15, 12:32:23
- Club doesn't control the national media, could be nothing in it. (NCFC) - megson, Feb 15, 12:28:20
- Have to say that does sound exciting but its a gamble. (NCFC) - megson, Feb 15, 12:17:05
- is their something wrong with our current manager (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Feb 15, 12:32:31
- Maybe the club needs to split in 2 (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 12:15:02
- Everything isn't black and white (NCFC) - usacanary, Feb 15, 12:59:49
- Moving the goalposts, wanting the impossible (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 15, 12:07:03
- Also... (NCFC) - usacanary, Feb 15, 12:22:17
- The first applicants to HC FC are in! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 12:23:46
- Also... (NCFC) - usacanary, Feb 15, 12:22:17
- Fuck me what a bunch of millennial snowflakery (NCFC) - Old Git, Feb 15, 11:49:28
- Reality is that normally it just comes down to results and performances (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 15, 12:00:08
- Unheard of at Norwich that I can remember (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Feb 15, 12:00:43
- Reality is that normally it just comes down to results and performances (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 15, 12:00:08
- Agree with the diagnosis but don't really understand the proposed solution (NCFC) - Bertie Russell, Feb 15, 11:48:27
- The senior leaders at the club have got themselves in a great big hole (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Feb 15, 12:36:26
- I agree with all of that, time will heal things (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 15, 14:07:04
- If we (mostly) agree that the boos on Tues were unwarranted (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 15, 13:33:05
- Wagner was entitled to say his piece, imho. (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Feb 15, 18:53:14
- Really good post USH 👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 15, 13:03:54
- POTD (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Feb 15, 12:59:39
- Good post. Completely agree. And (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 12:55:18
- Jim as manager, Loz on transfers and USH on comms (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Feb 15, 12:50:43
- What it means is (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, Feb 15, 11:52:46
- "Entitled" as ever is the key word (NCFC) - mr carra, Feb 15, 12:04:38
- It means sitting in a circle with a scented candle and a whale song CD (NCFC) - Old Git, Feb 15, 11:50:50
- lol. Right. (n/m) (NCFC) - Bertie Russell, Feb 15, 11:51:26
- WITHOUT LAUGHING (NCFC) - Old Git, Feb 15, 11:52:32
- lol. Right. (n/m) (NCFC) - Bertie Russell, Feb 15, 11:51:26
- The senior leaders at the club have got themselves in a great big hole (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Feb 15, 12:36:26
- I don't think even the fans know now what would appease them (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Feb 15, 11:36:18
- Transport them back to Roeder, Hamilton, Grant eras to see how bad is really has been... (n/m) (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Feb 15, 12:22:41
- Welease Wagnerick! (n/m) (NCFC) - Bristol Graham, Feb 15, 12:06:21
- Buttons on every seat to decide subs (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Feb 15, 11:56:03
- Jim as manager, loz i/c transfers (NCFC) - Old Git, Feb 15, 11:51:41
- That would involve a very different half time hotdog challenge (n/m) (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Feb 15, 12:30:17
- Any peace talks would be like negotiating with a toddler who's stayed up too late and ate (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Feb 15, 11:41:17
- Is harmony possible with Wagner in charge? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 15, 11:27:13
- We needed (and still do need in my view) more of a new broom than we've got (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 11:43:09
- Why is there such an issue with Zoe Webber? is it just because of who her husband is? (NCFC) - megson, Feb 15, 12:12:28
- Well I can only speak personally but.. (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 13:07:59
- this "meteoric rise" to which you refer (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 15, 13:44:15
- Yes but that is a completely different role to a CEO (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 15:13:32
- Ah yes, Kensall & Munby (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 15, 16:03:27
- ^ stalking her on LinkedIn (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Feb 15, 13:47:37
- Archant get the credit for this (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 15, 13:50:35
- Yes but that is a completely different role to a CEO (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 15:13:32
- this "meteoric rise" to which you refer (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Feb 15, 13:44:15
- Well I can only speak personally but.. (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 13:07:59
- Jim, do you not think that part of the issue here is the Director of Football model, which (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, Feb 15, 11:55:24
- Not really. I don't mind the DOF role but the problem we had was that Webber did not (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 13:16:10
- I'd agree with that, especially appointing Smith after Farke that will always be a (NCFC) - megson, Feb 15, 13:24:12
- Not really. I don't mind the DOF role but the problem we had was that Webber did not (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 13:16:10
- "very significant chunk" - show us your figures Jim? I'm hearing (NCFC) - Pixelman, Feb 15, 11:50:03
- I can only go by the fans I know and interact with (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 12:59:34
- That's fair, realistically though where do people think we should be with this squad? (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, Feb 15, 13:01:37
- I think we are approaching where we should be in terms of league position now but (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 13:22:36
- That's fair, realistically though where do people think we should be with this squad? (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, Feb 15, 13:01:37
- Well, when we were doing badly (NCFC) - jamesward, Feb 15, 11:59:16
- I can only go by the fans I know and interact with (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 12:59:34
- Why is there such an issue with Zoe Webber? is it just because of who her husband is? (NCFC) - megson, Feb 15, 12:12:28
- If fan / club harmony is the priority, then sacking Wagner would be part of the solution (NCFC) - maidstoneyellow, Feb 15, 11:40:24
- Totally agree (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Feb 15, 11:57:29
- We needed (and still do need in my view) more of a new broom than we've got (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 11:43:09
- I’m hoping Delia comes on the pitch on saturday (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Feb 15, 11:14:18
- Boo Boo Boo, Lemme hear you say way oh (n/m) (NCFC) - inutero, Feb 15, 11:11:36
- It’s been like it since our second Prem relegation (NCFC) - jamesward, Feb 15, 10:47:23
- Agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Feb 15, 10:50:46
- Yep let’s hope club and fans and all (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Feb 15, 10:48:58
- Connected can come together and bring back some harmony … (NCFC) - loz, Feb 15, 10:49:30
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