genuine apology
I shouldn't have got snippy.
To contextualise:
I deal with this (kind of) stuff day in and day out and precision of language is important.
The *discussion of the issue* not the *judgement* says what you're quoting. The discussion of the issue turns over both side of the argument.
The relevant bit of the "conclusion" (the actual judgement as reported) says:
The Regulations in force on 2 July 2020 did involve a restriction on the freedom of assembly and association. That freedom is an important one in a democratic society. The context in which the restrictions were imposed, however, was of a global pandemic where a novel, highly infectious disease capable of causing death was spreading and was transmissible between humans. There was no known cure and no vaccine. There was a legal duty to review the restrictions periodically and to end the restrictions if they were no longer necessary to achieve the aim of reducing the spread and the incidence of coronavirus. The Regulations would end after six months in any event. In those, possible unique, circumstances, there is no realistic prospect that a court would find that regulations adopted to reduce the opportunity for transmission by limiting contact between individuals was disproportionate. Permission to apply for judicial review on that ground is refused.
So it was turned down.
The outcome of the case is saying the opposite of what you're saying it does.
The casual misrepresentation of legal terms, judgements and processes is problematic because it's embedding those misunderstandings for people who aren't dealing with them regularly.
Human rights are a balance - your freedoms in balance with other people's.
It's always arguable and under review, but just because you don't like where that balance has currently been struck does not mean your human rights have been infringed (the bit you've quoted says that it passes the first stage of infringing, but fails the second - which means it's not infringing - to then go on to argue that if circumstances were different then it would be an infringement is a tautological argument and essentially meaningless).
I'll (genuinely) duck out now, as I have no desire to offend.
Posted By: Cardiff Canary on September 9th 2020 at 20:10:28
Message Thread
- Bit tricky to see how football attendance (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 10:44:24
- 6 fans per stand. Maximum attendance per match: 24 (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 9, 14:16:47
- please dont confuse Human Rights (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 9, 12:18:08
- ^ this (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, Sep 9, 13:35:48
- Yeah, this (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 9, 12:51:18
- To take one possible argument (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 14:09:24
- "Isn’t it obvious.." (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 9, 15:39:09
- Well, without wishing to be too technical (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 16:25:33
- Firstly, it's a judicial review... (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 9, 16:49:17
- So I take it (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 18:32:47
- None of your business (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 9, 19:15:37
- Hardly shambolic (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 19:35:01
- genuine apology (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 9, 20:10:28
- Thanks - but to contextualise (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 21:33:37
- Nice (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 9, 21:42:11
- Time well spent 🤔 (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 21:50:34
- Nice (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 9, 21:42:11
- He’s offended by the inconvenience (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 9, 21:09:45
- Thanks - but to contextualise (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 21:33:37
- genuine apology (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 9, 20:10:28
- Hardly shambolic (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 19:35:01
- None of your business (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 9, 19:15:37
- So I take it (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 18:32:47
- Firstly, it's a judicial review... (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 9, 16:49:17
- Well, without wishing to be too technical (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 16:25:33
- I agree - curtailing of liberty should always be thoroughly questioned (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Sep 9, 14:36:43
- "Isn’t it obvious.." (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 9, 15:39:09
- To take one possible argument (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 14:09:24
- Human Rights (NCFC) - inutero, Sep 9, 11:26:36
- that's a particularly shit straw man argument (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 9, 11:34:12
- Not even an argument (NCFC) - inutero, Sep 9, 11:37:02
- more people have died of covid in the UK than were killed in the blitz (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 9, 13:36:39
- They wouldn't have given a fuck .They had abit of resilience (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 9, 13:38:08
- oh that old chestnut (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 9, 11:55:11
- Imagine how they’d have behaved during rationing (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 9, 11:50:16
- well ... (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 12:05:45
- But not being allowed to meet up in groups over 6 (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 9, 12:12:00
- its not "mass death" ffs (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 9, 20:35:58
- the right have decided this isn't a public health crisis, or that there's any risk of (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 9, 13:34:53
- Piers Corbyn is right wing? (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 9, 13:36:33
- But not being allowed to meet up in groups over 6 (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 9, 12:12:00
- well ... (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 12:05:45
- more people have died of covid in the UK than were killed in the blitz (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 9, 13:36:39
- Not even an argument (NCFC) - inutero, Sep 9, 11:37:02
- that's a particularly shit straw man argument (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 9, 11:34:12
- Why would they be in breach of human rights? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 9, 10:51:13
- Because (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 11:06:32
- Why would it not be proportionate? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 9, 11:49:20
- Maybe he goes group dogging (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 9, 12:22:26
- 6 is plenty (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 9, 14:17:20
- Lovely little spot in bacton FWIW... (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 9, 12:59:44
- really .. where .... asking for friend off course (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 9, 13:48:34
- Maybe he goes group dogging (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 9, 12:22:26
- Why would it not be proportionate? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 9, 11:49:20
- because going to footy is an inalienable human right (NCFC) - Tombs, Sep 9, 11:00:49
- Why would I go there? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 9, 11:01:55
- Fair enough but don't think you'll find the solution on here tbf (NCFC) - Tombs, Sep 9, 11:12:36
- Well it’s a forum yes (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 9, 12:02:07
- yes, shared and ignored (NCFC) - Tombs, Sep 9, 12:12:06
- You just pretend to ignore the views 👏🏼 (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 9, 14:18:02
- Fuck off troll (NCFC) - Tombs, Sep 9, 14:40:58
- You just pretend to ignore the views 👏🏼 (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 9, 14:18:02
- yes, shared and ignored (NCFC) - Tombs, Sep 9, 12:12:06
- Well it’s a forum yes (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 9, 12:02:07
- Fair enough but don't think you'll find the solution on here tbf (NCFC) - Tombs, Sep 9, 11:12:36
- Why would I go there? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 9, 11:01:55
- Because (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 9, 11:06:32
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