I didn't say that anything other than winning is failure

My expectations haven't grown; I don't think we will win it. However, had I known what our run to the final would look like pre-tournament, i would have been expecting that we'd have a very good chance.

My post is not about what I expect to happen, but rather how our performance at the tournament should be judged given the fixtures we've been dealt.

Posted By: SimonOTBC on July 1st 2024 at 13:01:59

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Given how the draw has panned out, what constitutes a successful tournament for England? (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 10:39:22
- The only 'success' is winning it - everything else... well it depends. (Other Football) - norwaay, Jul 1, 12:48:25
  - Indeed, and everything that's gone before will be forgotten if we start (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 1, 13:02:39
    - And interestingly, there was a player revolt (Other Football) - norwaay, Jul 1, 13:08:25
      - Even then, the Cameroon and Belgium performances weren't amazing (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 1, 13:15:24
  - Agree with all of that (n/m) (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 12:59:08
- Also, stating that anything other than winning it is failure is silly... (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 1, 12:31:14
  - I didn't say that anything other than winning is failure (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 13:01:59
    - The run to the final doesn’t help you win the final (n/m) (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 1, 13:15:07
      - Who said it did? (n/m) (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 13:18:30
- Semi final but I’d say QF is already par (n/m) (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 1, 12:26:10
  - There is no 'par'. (Other Football) - norwaay, Jul 1, 13:10:24
    - Well, given that until Southgate no England manager had ever taken us to (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 1, 13:35:09
      - I think norwaay said that losing to Switzerland would be a failure (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 13:39:52
  - You think Switzerland have a better squad than we do? (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 13:02:36
    - Football is not an algorithm. I don't think they have a better group of players, no, but (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jul 1, 13:21:05
      - I don't disagree that they are performing better so far (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 13:25:23
    - I think Akanji and Xhaka walk into our team (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 1, 13:08:45
- Everyone in this thread so far seems to be overlooking (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 1, 10:55:52
  - Objectively, our performances make us one of the weakest remaining teams (Other Football) - Under soil heating, Jul 1, 11:37:42
  - I've only actually watched the 6 mins added time after 90 mins last night (Other Football) - Captain Bligh, Jul 1, 11:32:40
  - That’s why the final would be a decent result durrrrrr (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 1, 11:32:07
  - Yes, but that's our problem (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 10:59:08
    - Not defending Southgate, but are our players as good as we think they are? (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 1, 11:02:31
      - Looking at past England teams pre-Southgate, most players were MASSIVE footballing names (Other Football) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jul 1, 11:13:03
        
        England players are oftern very good in teams where they are surrounded by (Other Football) - megson, Jul 1, 14:51:15
        
        Foden won PL POTS (n/m) (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 11:32:52
      - In my opinion, yes they are (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 11:08:40
- Can't say I'm overly confident, not with Gareth in charge. (n/m) (Other Football) - DrDublin, Jul 1, 10:51:48
- I think Southgate is in win or bust territory now (Other Football) - 51eve, Jul 1, 10:50:55
  - He literally is given his next defeat will be the end of his England career (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 10:51:54
- Given the history of the game in this country ... (Other Football) - ghostof barry butler, Jul 1, 10:50:33
  - That should be the case without the friendly draws we've enjoyed (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 10:53:14
- Final (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 1, 10:48:22
- We'll never have a better chance to win a national tournament (n/m) (Other Football) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jul 1, 10:40:30
  - As was the case in the last Euros and to a degree the World Cup (Other Football) - Jim, Jul 1, 10:46:38
    - Agree (n/m) (Other Football) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jul 1, 11:05:44
    - There was no shame in losing to France at the WC (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 10:51:11
  - To be fair, we had one in 2021 (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 1, 10:46:11
    - It was said multiple times at every major tournament since 2018 (Other Football) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jul 1, 11:05:08

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