The Croatia semi final and Italy final are used as examples

When we have lost, or failed to win, important games, this is the charge that is levelled at him.

I think Southgate's record is good and defend him on here regularly.

But when he is accused of cautiousness generally, and we then shrivel backwards against two inferior teams in a row, you can see why people might consider this a pattern.

Posted By: norwaay on June 21st 2024 at 12:24:34

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No one is asking me and I'm not a football coach. But my solution for England: (Other Football) - Bertie Russell, Jun 21, 08:25:06
- Got to love an 'average position' (Other Football) - Nelsons final flanel, Jun 21, 09:29:59
  - Gotta love analysts. They should stand in a dressing and tell them (Other Football) - Lentil Weaver, Jun 21, 09:32:39
  - its a pointless stat, not everyone is in the average position at same time! (n/m) (Other Football) - Gazzaman, Jun 21, 09:32:01
    - 🤨 (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 10:29:27
    - Jesus 🙈 (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 09:59:58
- Don’t think it matters who plays (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 08:37:17
  - Really? This is so overly simplistic (Other Football) - Henclrikus, Jun 21, 10:37:45
    - I think you're the one oversimplifying here (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 10:59:37
      - Using a tiny datapoint to make a subjective point. Shrugs. (Other Football) - Henclrikus, Jun 21, 11:24:02
        
        I think most people would call this 'tiny data point' a 'pattern' (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 12:06:17
        
        Where is the data that says Southgate has done this before? (Other Football) - Henclrikus, Jun 21, 12:18:11
        
        The Croatia semi final and Italy final are used as examples (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 12:24:34
        
        Yep, I don't even think its controversial to say that his approach is cautious (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 21, 12:26:52
        
        Yes. This opinion is no outlier. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 12:28:31
    - Game state plays a part, but probably not to this extreme (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 10:39:57
  - that is proper mental (n/m) (Other Football) - shoddy, Jun 21, 09:34:37
  - It's absolutely insane (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 09:23:59
    - He's fallen in to the trap of trying to get as many of the best players in to the team (Other Football) - megson, Jun 21, 09:46:48
      - Mitchell for Palace would have done a better job than Trippier (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 09:49:37
        
        That's what I mean, that's going to look like an obvious answer now (Other Football) - megson, Jun 21, 09:55:21
        
        I think when your left back is injured taking another LB possibly is an obvious answer (n/m) (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jun 21, 10:53:03
        
        Of course, if you have an LB you think you can rely on in the pressure of a major (Other Football) - megson, Jun 21, 10:57:59
        
        Interesting because (Other Football) - camcan, Jun 21, 10:21:31
        
        lol! Would be more fun (n/m) (Other Football) - megson, Jun 21, 10:51:08
      - Like Lampard and Gerrard when it should have been one of them with Carrick (n/m) (Other Football) - Lentil Weaver, Jun 21, 09:49:06
    - I'm genuinely surprised to see. So much exciting talent. Enough to leave (Other Football) - Lentil Weaver, Jun 21, 09:45:34
    - We don’t have a chance imo (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 09:34:49
      - agree; it's too late - we may get a little better, but won't win it (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 21, 09:57:13
      - There's still a bit of a chance if he changes things (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 09:38:56
        
        The Hoff and Ridersofthestorm. What a combo. Can't wait to get back to proper footie. (Other Football) - Dunney, Jun 21, 10:20:04
        
        I was pining for Norwich watching that last night (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 10:23:14
    - Previous Southgate teams look like Brazil compared to this one (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 09:26:36
      - The way we absolutely pumped, say, Senegal last time (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 09:28:31
        
        Don't forget that we schooled Germany at Wembley AFTER (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jun 21, 11:26:24
        
        Yes, fair enough and there were defionitely some limp performances in there. (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 12:12:55
        
        I know this going off on a bit of a tangent... but we did not school germany (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 21, 10:03:30
        
        Yes, you're right (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 10:30:42
        
        Tactically though, it worked (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 21, 10:32:35
        
        We played well in the narrow defeat to France (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 10:06:24
        
        we were v good in that game - it was mainly that game that converted me to southgate (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 21, 10:34:29
        
        I agree with this, he transformed the team early on in to something likeable again (Other Football) - megson, Jun 21, 10:54:20
        
        Innit. We were relatively free flowing, if I'm remembering right? (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 21, 10:09:55
        
        Which suggests that Southgate has it in him to play more positive football (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 10:13:25
        
        We've always played in a cagey fashion under him, except his very early days (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 21, 10:19:15
        
        Yep (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 10:28:42
        
        Agreed (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 10:26:37
  - Agree that's a problem. But not having someone in midfield who (Other Football) - Bertie Russell, Jun 21, 08:53:27
    - Rice and Bellingham should be able to manage possession (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 09:26:30
      - Bellingham looked frustrated last night (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 09:31:26
- I dunno but to admit that he’s experimenting whilst at the actual tournament is shocking. (Other Football) - Augustus Pablo, Jun 21, 08:29:08
  - Agreed- it's bizarre (n/m) (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 21, 08:34:21

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