We've always played in a cagey fashion under him, except his very early days

And we relied on the pace of sterling when at our best under southgate, to break and cause problems.

I think he's ended up caught in no mans land with his tactics. We're not looking to dominate the ball, especially once in front, but equally we look ineffective on the break.

I'd be ok with keeping it tight if we had the ability to put an explosive counter attack together, but we can't. Real Madrid when playing Man City is the perfect example really, they kept it tight but constantly look a huge threat when they break.

Man City dominate the ball and also look a huge threat.

We are neither one nor the other. We're the worst bits of both.

Posted By: SimonOTBC on June 21st 2024 at 10:19:15

Message Thread

No one is asking me and I'm not a football coach. But my solution for England: (Other Football) - Bertie Russell, Jun 21, 08:25:06
- Got to love an 'average position' (Other Football) - Nelsons final flanel, Jun 21, 09:29:59
  - Gotta love analysts. They should stand in a dressing and tell them (Other Football) - Lentil Weaver, Jun 21, 09:32:39
  - its a pointless stat, not everyone is in the average position at same time! (n/m) (Other Football) - Gazzaman, Jun 21, 09:32:01
    - 🤨 (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 10:29:27
    - Jesus 🙈 (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 09:59:58
- Don’t think it matters who plays (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 08:37:17
  - Really? This is so overly simplistic (Other Football) - Henclrikus, Jun 21, 10:37:45
    - I think you're the one oversimplifying here (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 10:59:37
      - Using a tiny datapoint to make a subjective point. Shrugs. (Other Football) - Henclrikus, Jun 21, 11:24:02
        
        I think most people would call this 'tiny data point' a 'pattern' (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 12:06:17
        
        Where is the data that says Southgate has done this before? (Other Football) - Henclrikus, Jun 21, 12:18:11
        
        The Croatia semi final and Italy final are used as examples (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 12:24:34
        
        Yep, I don't even think its controversial to say that his approach is cautious (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 21, 12:26:52
        
        Yes. This opinion is no outlier. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 12:28:31
    - Game state plays a part, but probably not to this extreme (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 10:39:57
  - that is proper mental (n/m) (Other Football) - shoddy, Jun 21, 09:34:37
  - It's absolutely insane (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 09:23:59
    - He's fallen in to the trap of trying to get as many of the best players in to the team (Other Football) - megson, Jun 21, 09:46:48
      - Mitchell for Palace would have done a better job than Trippier (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 09:49:37
        
        That's what I mean, that's going to look like an obvious answer now (Other Football) - megson, Jun 21, 09:55:21
        
        I think when your left back is injured taking another LB possibly is an obvious answer (n/m) (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jun 21, 10:53:03
        
        Of course, if you have an LB you think you can rely on in the pressure of a major (Other Football) - megson, Jun 21, 10:57:59
        
        Interesting because (Other Football) - camcan, Jun 21, 10:21:31
        
        lol! Would be more fun (n/m) (Other Football) - megson, Jun 21, 10:51:08
      - Like Lampard and Gerrard when it should have been one of them with Carrick (n/m) (Other Football) - Lentil Weaver, Jun 21, 09:49:06
    - I'm genuinely surprised to see. So much exciting talent. Enough to leave (Other Football) - Lentil Weaver, Jun 21, 09:45:34
    - We don’t have a chance imo (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 09:34:49
      - agree; it's too late - we may get a little better, but won't win it (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 21, 09:57:13
      - There's still a bit of a chance if he changes things (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 09:38:56
        
        The Hoff and Ridersofthestorm. What a combo. Can't wait to get back to proper footie. (Other Football) - Dunney, Jun 21, 10:20:04
        
        I was pining for Norwich watching that last night (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 10:23:14
    - Previous Southgate teams look like Brazil compared to this one (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 09:26:36
      - The way we absolutely pumped, say, Senegal last time (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 09:28:31
        
        Don't forget that we schooled Germany at Wembley AFTER (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Jun 21, 11:26:24
        
        Yes, fair enough and there were defionitely some limp performances in there. (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 12:12:55
        
        I know this going off on a bit of a tangent... but we did not school germany (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 21, 10:03:30
        
        Yes, you're right (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 10:30:42
        
        Tactically though, it worked (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 21, 10:32:35
        
        We played well in the narrow defeat to France (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 10:06:24
        
        we were v good in that game - it was mainly that game that converted me to southgate (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 21, 10:34:29
        
        I agree with this, he transformed the team early on in to something likeable again (Other Football) - megson, Jun 21, 10:54:20
        
        Innit. We were relatively free flowing, if I'm remembering right? (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 21, 10:09:55
        
        Which suggests that Southgate has it in him to play more positive football (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 10:13:25
        
        We've always played in a cagey fashion under him, except his very early days (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 21, 10:19:15
        
        Yep (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 10:28:42
        
        Agreed (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 10:26:37
  - Agree that's a problem. But not having someone in midfield who (Other Football) - Bertie Russell, Jun 21, 08:53:27
    - Rice and Bellingham should be able to manage possession (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 21, 09:26:30
      - Bellingham looked frustrated last night (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 21, 09:31:26
- I dunno but to admit that he’s experimenting whilst at the actual tournament is shocking. (Other Football) - Augustus Pablo, Jun 21, 08:29:08
  - Agreed- it's bizarre (n/m) (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 21, 08:34:21

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