From where I'm sat any confidence

looks like overconfidence. Heh.

I'm perfectly happy to accept my view as an odd outlier. (and have no interest in playing the pessimist simply to play an 'i told you so' card at some point in the future (hopefully not!!!))

I guess that I've seen these tournaments come and go over the years and had many occasions where I've thought "This is a great opportunity!" only to watch us flub our lines or get whacked by the first decent side we come up against.

I thought last night's result was brilliant, and a real step change... but... but... from the bits of the Euros I've watched, I still can't see this side as being among the best, and the nagging voice in my head points out that Germany were within a whisker of failing to get through even the group stages.

Buuuuut, a few of those 'good' sides like France have been dumped out, so yeah, in tournament footy there's always a chance.

I'm not a gambler, so not sure how the odds work - but as a scientist, is it that, because we have a technically easier route to the final we've got the 'favourite' odds, but that might flip depending upon who we'd meet in the final if we get there?

As I say, really, genuinely, not trying to be awkward, but I can't get my brain around the idea that we're favourites... and in most other aspects of life I'm pretty optimistic... which I guess makes me doubly suspicious of this.

Hopefully you're right!

Posted By: Cardiff Canary on June 30th 2021 at 16:55:06

Message Thread

Carragher on Kane .... (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 10:49:09
- That doesn’t excuse his spitting at a child though (n/m) (Other Football) - Tier2canary, Jun 30, 19:18:09
- He's right (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 11:01:10
  - Are you suggesting that England don't have a plan? (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:26:07
    - He's very definitely got a plan for the team in this tournament (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 12:42:09
      - It's definitely the biggest problem he faces. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:52:02
    - I think there's been a basic plan (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 12:41:03
      - I would politely and broadly challenge that (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:51:06
        
        We won yesterday, and that is of course the most important thing by some distance (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 30, 13:00:39
        
        Although thinking about it, I can't really recall a more organised England team (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 30, 13:01:53
        
        Can't argue with any of that. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 13:10:23
        
        Spot on (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 30, 12:56:56
        
        I agree (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 14:13:49
        
        I'm not sure what you mean by over confidence? (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 14:26:54
        
        expectations vs reality (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 16:02:55
        
        But that doesn't answer the question re over confidence. (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 16:20:54
        
        From where I'm sat any confidence (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 16:55:06
        
        That's a great post. (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 17:06:38
        
        Ta, yeah it's been an interesting discussion (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 17:16:45
        
        being reaonably dispassionate (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 16:49:37
        
        To be honest we're only probably favourites right now (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 17:09:32
    - It was dull at times, but his plan worked perfectly last night (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 30, 12:28:55
      - Yep. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:40:25
  - Agree with most of this, that's what Southgate has changed (Other Football) - megson, Jun 30, 11:45:44
    - Entirely agree (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:28:37
    - Negative tactics and one of our best players not in the team (Other Football) - Winged Eel Creosote, Jun 30, 12:25:59
    - southgates biggest limitation is that he consistently fails to read this (Other Football) - Tombs, Jun 30, 11:52:28
      - Bang on, I keep sending the FA my mobile number, he hasn't rung me once. (Other Football) - megson, Jun 30, 15:09:12
      - footy forum in being a footy forum shocker, insists fuming fan Tombs (n/m) (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 12:05:29
        
        horizontal af tbf (Other Football) - Tombs, Jun 30, 12:23:18
      - I thought he went on wrath of the lions where every member is an experienced manager. (n/m) (Other Football) - Biggles, Jun 30, 11:56:48
  - Sterling had 15 goals in his last 20 England appearances or close to that. (Other Football) - Trent_Canary, Jun 30, 11:13:12
    - Really consistent for England. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 30, 11:27:23
    - fantastic yes (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 11:22:10

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