I think there's been a basic plan

But not really a sense of how they're looking to evolve it.

It's been a disrupted year naturally, but (comparatively speaking) I don't really get the sense that we've settled on a core group, or that when we swap people in and out they've got a clear idea of their role (within the team) or that the team has a clear idea of how to use them.

The Germany game was the first glimmers of that being in place, to my eyes. Though it is all lacking that well connected feel you get with teams who are used to playing with each other and know their roles.

So yes, I think that there's been a plan, I'm a little bit dubious about how well we've built towards its implementation.

It's reflected as well in the confusion around team selection (among the fans and press). We need sterling or Rashford in the team for their pace, (for the plan to work).

Hasn't stopped people banging on about using mount/foden/Grealish and hasn't stopped the manager from playing around with this all in the group stages (even in view of the disruption this year, I'd have hoped we'd have come in more settled than we have)

Posted By: Cardiff Canary on June 30th 2021 at 12:41:03

Message Thread

Carragher on Kane .... (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 10:49:09
- That doesn’t excuse his spitting at a child though (n/m) (Other Football) - Tier2canary, Jun 30, 19:18:09
- He's right (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 11:01:10
  - Are you suggesting that England don't have a plan? (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:26:07
    - He's very definitely got a plan for the team in this tournament (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 12:42:09
      - It's definitely the biggest problem he faces. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:52:02
    - I think there's been a basic plan (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 12:41:03
      - I would politely and broadly challenge that (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:51:06
        
        We won yesterday, and that is of course the most important thing by some distance (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 30, 13:00:39
        
        Although thinking about it, I can't really recall a more organised England team (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 30, 13:01:53
        
        Can't argue with any of that. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 13:10:23
        
        Spot on (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 30, 12:56:56
        
        I agree (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 14:13:49
        
        I'm not sure what you mean by over confidence? (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 14:26:54
        
        expectations vs reality (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 16:02:55
        
        But that doesn't answer the question re over confidence. (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 16:20:54
        
        From where I'm sat any confidence (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 16:55:06
        
        That's a great post. (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 17:06:38
        
        Ta, yeah it's been an interesting discussion (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 17:16:45
        
        being reaonably dispassionate (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 16:49:37
        
        To be honest we're only probably favourites right now (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 17:09:32
    - It was dull at times, but his plan worked perfectly last night (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 30, 12:28:55
      - Yep. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:40:25
  - Agree with most of this, that's what Southgate has changed (Other Football) - megson, Jun 30, 11:45:44
    - Entirely agree (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:28:37
    - Negative tactics and one of our best players not in the team (Other Football) - Winged Eel Creosote, Jun 30, 12:25:59
    - southgates biggest limitation is that he consistently fails to read this (Other Football) - Tombs, Jun 30, 11:52:28
      - Bang on, I keep sending the FA my mobile number, he hasn't rung me once. (Other Football) - megson, Jun 30, 15:09:12
      - footy forum in being a footy forum shocker, insists fuming fan Tombs (n/m) (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 12:05:29
        
        horizontal af tbf (Other Football) - Tombs, Jun 30, 12:23:18
      - I thought he went on wrath of the lions where every member is an experienced manager. (n/m) (Other Football) - Biggles, Jun 30, 11:56:48
  - Sterling had 15 goals in his last 20 England appearances or close to that. (Other Football) - Trent_Canary, Jun 30, 11:13:12
    - Really consistent for England. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 30, 11:27:23
    - fantastic yes (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 11:22:10

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