But that doesn't answer the question re over confidence.

Literally no-one is saying we're certain to win it or that we're the best side in Europe. Just that we have a great chance.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I really do find the position you've chosen here a little odd. We play Ukraine next and then the Czechs or the Danes in the semis if we win that.

Again, nothing is certain of course - but we are now the bookies' favourites and we really *are* contenders whether you think it or not.

Posted By: norwaay on June 30th 2021 at 16:20:54

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Carragher on Kane .... (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 10:49:09
- That doesn’t excuse his spitting at a child though (n/m) (Other Football) - Tier2canary, Jun 30, 19:18:09
- He's right (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 11:01:10
  - Are you suggesting that England don't have a plan? (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:26:07
    - He's very definitely got a plan for the team in this tournament (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 12:42:09
      - It's definitely the biggest problem he faces. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:52:02
    - I think there's been a basic plan (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 12:41:03
      - I would politely and broadly challenge that (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:51:06
        
        We won yesterday, and that is of course the most important thing by some distance (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 30, 13:00:39
        
        Although thinking about it, I can't really recall a more organised England team (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 30, 13:01:53
        
        Can't argue with any of that. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 13:10:23
        
        Spot on (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 30, 12:56:56
        
        I agree (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 14:13:49
        
        I'm not sure what you mean by over confidence? (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 14:26:54
        
        expectations vs reality (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 16:02:55
        
        But that doesn't answer the question re over confidence. (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 16:20:54
        
        From where I'm sat any confidence (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 16:55:06
        
        That's a great post. (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 17:06:38
        
        Ta, yeah it's been an interesting discussion (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 30, 17:16:45
        
        being reaonably dispassionate (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 16:49:37
        
        To be honest we're only probably favourites right now (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 17:09:32
    - It was dull at times, but his plan worked perfectly last night (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 30, 12:28:55
      - Yep. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:40:25
  - Agree with most of this, that's what Southgate has changed (Other Football) - megson, Jun 30, 11:45:44
    - Entirely agree (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 30, 12:28:37
    - Negative tactics and one of our best players not in the team (Other Football) - Winged Eel Creosote, Jun 30, 12:25:59
    - southgates biggest limitation is that he consistently fails to read this (Other Football) - Tombs, Jun 30, 11:52:28
      - Bang on, I keep sending the FA my mobile number, he hasn't rung me once. (Other Football) - megson, Jun 30, 15:09:12
      - footy forum in being a footy forum shocker, insists fuming fan Tombs (n/m) (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 12:05:29
        
        horizontal af tbf (Other Football) - Tombs, Jun 30, 12:23:18
      - I thought he went on wrath of the lions where every member is an experienced manager. (n/m) (Other Football) - Biggles, Jun 30, 11:56:48
  - Sterling had 15 goals in his last 20 England appearances or close to that. (Other Football) - Trent_Canary, Jun 30, 11:13:12
    - Really consistent for England. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 30, 11:27:23
    - fantastic yes (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 30, 11:22:10

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