Could it be that England just aren't *that* good?

Could it be that England just aren't that good?

We are a QF side really, that's PAR for us a tournament, get there and we've got as far as we could expect to.

English players are notoriously overrated, we see this time and again, backed up by how unattractive they've always been to european clubs, English players are very rarely targeted by top european teams.

What Southgate has done is move away from using the same players time and again and try and build an approach across the ages, and bring younger players through.
He deserves a lot of credit for that.
International football is terminally dull though without the excitement created by the pressure of a major tournament, the tempo is a LOT slower than we are used to in the Prem, and there are more teams focused on being solid.

Posted By: megson on June 3rd 2021 at 11:03:07

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Supporting England under Southgate (Other Football) - paulg, Jun 3, 09:38:51
- Unlike all the other managers we've had in your lifetime? (n/m) (Other Football) - Charles21, Jun 3, 13:13:03
- We were discussing this in work yesterday (Other Football) - KetteringRyu, Jun 3, 11:40:06
  - I don't recall your tenure as England manager (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 3, 12:11:01
    - Ha. Ha. (n/m) (Other Football) - KetteringRyu, Jun 3, 12:24:22
- Could it be that England just aren't *that* good? (Other Football) - megson, Jun 3, 11:03:07
  - definitely agree with that. Although I do think... (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 3, 11:23:28
    - That's very fair, he's not the most attacking minded manager. (n/m) (Other Football) - megson, Jun 3, 12:11:39
  - English players aren’t that attracted to playing abroad (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 3, 11:13:41
    - Agree, but that goes with the point, the mentality is not quite right (Other Football) - megson, Jun 3, 12:14:08
      - Yes definitely (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 3, 12:20:57
        
        That is very true as well. (n/m) (Other Football) - megson, Jun 3, 12:33:42
- Judge him on tournaments not friendlies/warm ups. Let's not forget that in an alternative (Other Football) - Adster, Jun 3, 10:36:24
- I watch us and think we have some great players and yet it’s (Other Football) - Jim, Jun 3, 10:27:48
- GS only got the job by default., (Other Football) - Canarygunn, Jun 3, 10:26:51
  - Jumbo's gone further in much bigger tournaments tbf. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 3, 10:57:16
  - He won the league cup twice as a player (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 3, 10:29:20
    - Reminds me of a newly promoted prem team (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 3, 10:32:03
- Yep (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 3, 10:12:49
- Really? I think he’s been one of the most refreshing Eng managers for ages. (Other Football) - DH Yellow, Jun 3, 09:58:05
- Maybe it’s just me but I think we’re pretty good under Southgate (Other Football) - Duck, Jun 3, 09:54:25
- Didn’t Southgate play in a euros semi final? (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 3, 09:48:07
  - Venables the man who wouldn’t pick Le Tissier because he didn’t work hard enough..... (n/m) (Other Football) - helvegtheowl, Jun 3, 10:50:29
    - Think that was Hoddle, no? (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 3, 13:40:22
    - Cheers for reminding me of that (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 3, 10:58:42
- Got to the Semi finals of the World Cup. That’s more than mediocre. (Other Football) - BigGrantHolt, Jun 3, 09:45:00
  - by beating Colombia (on penalties) and Sweden (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 3, 09:49:36
    - Hmmm (Other Football) - norwaay, Jun 3, 13:39:51
    - World Cup in S Africa. On a free day he declined going on trip to meet Nelson Mandela (Other Football) - pab, Jun 3, 10:14:52
      - Excellent professionalism (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 3, 10:20:35
    - Incidentally, if we win our group in the euros, we won't have that easy draw this time (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 3, 09:54:57
      - Let’s just take it 1 game at a time (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 3, 09:57:41
    - Can only beat what’s in front of you (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 3, 09:54:48
      - That is pretty much the most rubbish and meaningless of mindless sporting cliches (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 3, 09:55:58
    - Bit harsh. (Other Football) - Garry Brooke, Jun 3, 09:53:40
      - I think he's done pretty much exactly what most of his predecessors have done (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 3, 10:00:56
        
        Yeah, it's just England really isn't it? (Other Football) - jamesward, Jun 3, 10:10:29

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