yeah this

Difficult one with Farke as he has been excellent before, but it's going to take a major effort from both manager and retained players to be able to get this season (and any damage it has to relationships/confidence) out of the system.

I can't think of many environments I've been in where a senior leadership team has remained in place, with largely the same project team, after a major failure and gone on to turn things around. Normally too much loss of trust from both sides.

Might depend on whether we really did treat relegation as pre-ordained and just part of a long term plan, or whether players (or manager) will be thinking the other(s) buggered up our chances of survival.

Posted By: CWC on July 15th 2020 at 10:06:57

Message Thread

New midfield next season... (NCFC) - loz, Jul 15, 09:20:31
- Fuk da shit, next year we’re playing 5 at the back 5 at the front : (NCFC) - Augustus Pablo, Jul 15, 09:39:02
- Well if them 3 go we will have no chance (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Jul 15, 09:36:41
  - Thing is will players that have aLee after gone up be ... (NCFC) - loz, Jul 15, 09:48:52
    - VMT (NCFC) - mr carra, Jul 15, 10:58:24
  - Tettey won’t be gone he has a year left and no resale value (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Jul 15, 09:38:46
    - Yeah, I'd have thought we'd keep (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Jul 15, 13:03:10
    - Tettey remains our best option for midfield solidity (NCFC) - Basil Wrathbone, Jul 15, 09:46:08
- Would've thought leitner will go (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Jul 15, 09:33:05
- Can’t see Trybull and Vrancic leaving after they performed well in that division last year (n/m) (NCFC) - thirsty work, Jul 15, 09:28:01
- why the hell would we let Trybull, Vrancic and Leitner go? (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 09:23:27
  - Because the recruitment model ... (NCFC) - loz, Jul 15, 09:26:43
    - if that's the plan then it sounds ludicrously complacent (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 09:31:18
      - you are assuming that they will play (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Jul 15, 10:03:43
        
        not assuming anything, I just think it would be stupid (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 10:06:11
        
        I think getting the right mix between freshening it up and changing it too much... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jul 15, 10:35:26
      - vmt (NCFC) - CWC, Jul 15, 09:59:19
      - Maybe it was because previous times we retained too many of the players? (NCFC) - mr carra, Jul 15, 09:50:57
        
        I think the main reason was that we retained the manager who took us down for too long (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 09:51:44
        
        That's the laziest and most complacent view of all (NCFC) - mr carra, Jul 15, 10:30:44
        
        well, you've hit the nail on the head (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 10:34:09
        
        Is it that the players lose faith in the manager or vice versa? (NCFC) - mr carra, Jul 15, 10:39:24
        
        I imagine both, but it's like you said (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 10:49:16
        
        yeah this (NCFC) - CWC, Jul 15, 10:06:57
        
        yeah, it's such a tough one with Farke (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 10:15:56
        
        Tbf that poor first season looks less so in retrospect... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jul 15, 10:32:54
        
        perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 10:36:40
        
        But even when we were doing badly at the start of the second season.. (NCFC) - mr carra, Jul 15, 10:40:58
        
        that's true, I'm genuinely not sure whether it (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 10:44:08
        
        Like that West Brom game (NCFC) - jamesward, Jul 15, 10:43:29
        
        We were actually outplaying Leeds until we chucked in two goals in about two minutes (n/m) (NCFC) - mr carra, Jul 15, 10:44:22
        
        True, then we lost belief (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Jul 15, 11:22:14
        
        And part of his role has been to develop youth... (NCFC) - loz, Jul 15, 10:36:31
        
        Alex Neil was also excellent before (NCFC) - jamesward, Jul 15, 10:11:38
        
        First few games so important (NCFC) - Tombs, Jul 15, 10:21:01
        
        And it will be harder than ever (NCFC) - BungysPie, Jul 15, 11:10:34
        
        Has a team that's been relegated *this* badly ever come straight back up? (NCFC) - jamesward, Jul 15, 10:42:14
        
        New season is so close as well, going to take a huge turnaround (NCFC) - Tombs, Jul 15, 10:53:54
        
        I'm hoping they've just thrown in the towel and mentally switched to FIFA/new clubs (NCFC) - CWC, Jul 15, 11:09:39
      - Two of them may stay Leitner definitely won’t (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Jul 15, 09:39:40
    - First things first,build a squad that will get us up,if we can improve (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jul 15, 09:30:34
      - vmt - every single time we go down (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 09:33:29
        
        Literally nobody thinks we will walk that league it’s a nightmare (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Jul 15, 09:44:54
        
        seems a bit risky then to build a relegation into a five year plan (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 09:51:07
        
        And seems massively unrealistic to not build a relegation into a 5 year plan (n/m) (NCFC) - Duck, Jul 15, 10:12:18
        
        It would be unrealistic, but I think there is a difference between building it (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 10:19:53
        
        Sure there were different versions of the plan depending on whether we stayed up or not (NCFC) - mr carra, Jul 15, 10:43:33
        
        Sure you’d do better than Webber you seem to know it all (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Jul 15, 10:22:42
        
        not sure why you are being so sensitive to any criticism of 'the plan' (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jul 15, 10:24:29
        
        Isn’t that precisely what Webber is doing .... (NCFC) - loz, Jul 15, 10:30:33

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