the only things that will work long term are tackling the root causes

harsher punishments, stop and search, more police, etc etc, only tackle the symptoms (and in many respects will make the situation worse).

So it needs proper investment in social services, education, local amenities and infrastructure, youth workers, social engagement, apprenticeships, jobs, and all that other stuff that gets so easily written off/ignored. Give kids a viable future that is more attractive than being in a gang.

Do agree re harsher punishments for acid attacks though. Needs to be a specific offence for it, and could do with looking at restricting the sale of some of the ingredients (although difficult given how easily household products can be weaponized)

Posted By: CWC on April 6th 2018 at 13:10:28

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4 more teenages Stabbed in the city I live and love... (General Chat) - WalksietheReturn, Apr 6, 12:23:50
- Bring back flogging and hanging I say. (n/m) (General Chat) - ghost of hucks, Apr 6, 14:50:38
  - Hangings too good for them (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Apr 6, 19:25:40
  - What, no Daily Mail link?! (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Apr 6, 18:24:02
    - you've got the wrong ghost there OG (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 6, 20:14:11
  - Well that would probably help. (n/m) (General Chat) - jimbo, Apr 6, 17:35:40
- There's a massive feeling of hopelessness amongst youths in certain parts of London (General Chat) - Azteca, Apr 6, 14:14:48
  - A huge disparity between the haves and have boys in London. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Apr 6, 14:37:44
    - nots ffs. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Apr 6, 14:37:54
      - Jumbo loves the have boys in London (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Apr 6, 18:29:53
- this thread is going well. (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Apr 6, 14:10:41
  - Just waiting for the casual homophobia to get a full house. (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 6, 14:36:54
  - Actually, at least three-quarters of it is pretty well-reasoned stuff... (General Chat) - Greeny, Apr 6, 14:13:21
- "Young Britons have never been unhappier" (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Apr 6, 14:03:38
  - That's quite a statement (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Apr 6, 14:16:37
  - "the study was first commissioned in 2009" (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Apr 6, 14:15:12
    - I'm guessing young Londoners weren't overly chuffed in 1940 for example... (n/m) (General Chat) - Greeny, Apr 6, 14:23:54
      - 1666 didn’t go well either. (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 6, 14:38:46
        
        1966 was better (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Apr 6, 19:41:20
- Clearly cuts to the police don;t help but (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 6, 14:00:48
  - "Touched a few women up" (General Chat) - norway, Apr 6, 14:05:10
    - This thread... (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 6, 14:35:48
- Guardian warning (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Apr 6, 13:46:00
  - That is something of a cop out (General Chat) - Old Git, Apr 6, 18:32:30
    - This! It sort of goes back to what I was saying earlier about personal accountability. (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Apr 6, 18:56:58
  - It’s still a choice they make though. Education is there if you want it and.... (General Chat) - jimbo, Apr 6, 14:16:14
    - then i'll have a teenth please jimbo (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Apr 6, 14:18:41
- Heard an interview with the former police chief of NY. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 6, 13:27:26
  - "London now has more violent crime than NY." not sure that's true y'know (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Apr 6, 13:40:08
    - Ah. That makes sense. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 6, 13:46:19
      - It’s a concern (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Apr 6, 18:23:27
- Not sufficient deterrents to make people think .., (General Chat) - jimbo, Apr 6, 12:58:38
  - Two moderately sensible paragraphs as the bread (General Chat) - Old Git, Apr 6, 18:34:12
    - Or two stars and a wish. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 6, 19:31:53
  - fuck off eh Jimbo (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 6, 16:20:57
    - I’m just highlighting the fact that In Inner city London... (General Chat) - jimbo, Apr 6, 17:14:41
      - it's correlated with income levels far more than race, which makes your statements racist (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 6, 17:40:30
        
        This. (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 6, 18:14:25
      - Jimbo, it isn't about being 'politically correct' (General Chat) - norway, Apr 6, 17:21:42
        
        Sure you have to tackle the root causes but that is not going .... (General Chat) - jimbo, Apr 6, 17:42:19
        
        Step away from the hole... (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 6, 18:15:45
        
        very much so (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 6, 17:42:18
  - Goodness me! (n/m) (General Chat) - yellowman, Apr 6, 14:51:46
  - Sending people to prison for longer will mean we have to build more prisons, (General Chat) - megson, Apr 6, 14:27:18
    - If we train offenders as brickies to build the prisons (General Chat) - Dunney, Apr 6, 14:37:38
      - 😂 (n/m) (General Chat) - jimbo, Apr 6, 17:16:04
  - Fuck the blacks and ethnic minority's. (General Chat) - norway, Apr 6, 14:03:47
  - That middle paragraph is quite a piece of work. (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 6, 13:25:29
    - Needed a comma, Shirley. (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Apr 6, 13:59:25
  - the only things that will work long term are tackling the root causes (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 6, 13:10:28
    - I agree. Kids growing up in broken homes plays are .., (General Chat) - jimbo, Apr 6, 14:13:43
      - You are on quite a roll here... (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 6, 14:33:40
        
        I think it is actually a fact that children from (General Chat) - jimbo, Apr 6, 17:18:15
        
        Demonising single mums is definitely the way to go... (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 6, 18:13:09
    - But that's the problem - there is no viable future for a lot of these kids (General Chat) - Greeny, Apr 6, 13:24:26
      - wasn't suggesting it's an easy problem to solve... (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 6, 13:52:36
      - Humans can choose to embrace advancements in tech/AI/robotics etc (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Apr 6, 13:37:04
    - your inner-city teenager (General Chat) - Henclrikus, Apr 6, 13:21:59
      - that's the point (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 6, 13:49:13
      - Perhaps better education would help reduce gangs in future though (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Apr 6, 13:37:56
        
        Agree there needs to be more social workers, community projects and of course a more ... (General Chat) - WalksietheReturn, Apr 6, 13:51:33
- Stop and Search needs to come back in, hard. (n/m) (General Chat) - MIKEWALKER, Apr 6, 12:52:54
  - Nope - those days are gone... (General Chat) - Greeny, Apr 6, 13:12:33
- It’s gangs mostly isn’t it? (n/m) (General Chat) - Hulk Rules, Apr 6, 12:40:04

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