breaking averages
I've been rightly called out for banging on about moeen in the past, so I'll try to keep it brief.
He was apparently told to forget playing longer form cricket by England management, following the winter tours - if he got his head down and proved himself in the shorter form he *might* have a chance there.
Goes and does that and then gets a knee-jerk call up across Leach, Bess after Stokes gets called up.
Nonsense preparation - and leaves him beggared and blamed when things go to pap.
But it's not just Moeen. Look at Malan, look at Stokes, look at Hameed, look at Bairstow, look at Woakes.
They're dropped in out of thin air, shuffled (preparing to play at 3 is different to preparing to open) and then ticked off when things don't come off. Bairstow keeping wicket, not keeping wicket... Leach and Bess left carrying drinks and then shunted. The fast bowlers being bowled into the ground. Stokes being shunted up the order, being asked to bowl injured, not being protected from the pressure.
I think the way the players have been treated is reflected in the deterioration of their averages the longer they play. They have talent and they're not properly prepared, briefed or guided to allow them to maintain those starts.
In every match the opposition's analysts will look for weaknesses, we seem to now be particularly poor at countering that (despite being arguably the best resourced team on this front).
Players wandering out being told to forget it all and 'express themselves' might make sense in a handful of cases, but to me it reeks of a team that is being sent into battle without a gun.
So yep, that's why I think that purely looking at the averages is a bit of a red herring - looking at the trends in those averages and the reasons behind those trends are the only way we'll avoid this merry go round.
Posted By: Cardiff Canary on September 6th 2021 at 17:42:37
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- FFS I thought this was a great wicket to bat on? (n/m) (Other Sports) - loz, Sep 6, 14:31:27
- India are just better than us (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Sep 6, 16:33:00
- Kohli is a much better captain, and a lot of it stems from there. (n/m) (Other Sports) - megson, Sep 6, 16:49:07
- dont agree with that. Their players are better. (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 16:57:06
- I did say "a lot of it" I wasn't necessarily disagreeing! (Other Sports) - megson, Sep 6, 17:09:19
- dont agree with that. Their players are better. (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 16:57:06
- Fine margins. If we could catch and show a bit more composure this would be very close (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 16:39:43
- More so the first one, yeah (Other Sports) - jamesward, Sep 6, 16:41:26
- Thing is we keep cycling round the same players (Other Sports) - Under soil heating, Sep 6, 16:57:17
- Yep, there are no obvious or easy answers. Stokes makes a big difference (Other Sports) - megson, Sep 6, 17:14:55
- exactly this (n/m) (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 16:58:25
- (with the exception that I think Pope might end up with a higher average (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 16:59:34
- Fully disagree - I blame Silverwood and the selectors (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 17:07:33
- You do have to question what any of these England coaches actually do to earn their money (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:15:40
- Indeed (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 17:30:15
- I don't really understand why you think their average are fucked vs their abilities (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 17:14:31
- breaking averages (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 17:42:37
- You could say the same for Moeen's bolwing as well (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 18:26:48
- He plays for *cough*splutter Worcestershire,!!, (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 18:39:44
- Sorry I meant Worcestershire! Got confused as was thinking about the Hundred (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 18:57:04
- Hahaha - yep (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 19:13:30
- Sorry I meant Worcestershire! Got confused as was thinking about the Hundred (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 18:57:04
- He plays for *cough*splutter Worcestershire,!!, (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 18:39:44
- You could say the same for Moeen's bolwing as well (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 18:26:48
- Overton for me is not quite at the right level. Appreciate our options are limited (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:18:56
- breaking averages (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 17:42:37
- You do have to question what any of these England coaches actually do to earn their money (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:15:40
- Fully disagree - I blame Silverwood and the selectors (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 17:07:33
- (with the exception that I think Pope might end up with a higher average (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 16:59:34
- It's a bit like England football teams of the past though (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 16:54:59
- We should have got more in our first innings and caught Sharma early in their second and (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 16:42:26
- "we should have scored more runs" (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 17:01:26
- Well what I mean is that Pope, Bairstow and Mo all got themselves out whilst well set to (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:11:49
- Pope got 80. Mo and Bairstow just did what they always do. (n/m) (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 17:15:34
- Yes and Pope should have got 100 from that position and Bairstow and Mo should have (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:17:31
- Totally agree Jim - India bowled brilliantly today but our 1st innings was below par. (Other Sports) - norwaay, Sep 6, 17:23:08
- I'd say Bairstow and Mo were more culpable than Pope. I like Pope - we need to stick with (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:28:55
- Moeen's first innings dismissal was criminal. (Other Sports) - norwaay, Sep 6, 18:07:09
- I'd say Bairstow and Mo were more culpable than Pope. I like Pope - we need to stick with (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:28:55
- Totally agree Jim - India bowled brilliantly today but our 1st innings was below par. (Other Sports) - norwaay, Sep 6, 17:23:08
- Yes and Pope should have got 100 from that position and Bairstow and Mo should have (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:17:31
- Pope got 80. Mo and Bairstow just did what they always do. (n/m) (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 17:15:34
- Well what I mean is that Pope, Bairstow and Mo all got themselves out whilst well set to (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:11:49
- All "ifs" though. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 16:42:57
- "we should have scored more runs" (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 17:01:26
- Thing is we keep cycling round the same players (Other Sports) - Under soil heating, Sep 6, 16:57:17
- More so the first one, yeah (Other Sports) - jamesward, Sep 6, 16:41:26
- Kohli is a much better captain, and a lot of it stems from there. (n/m) (Other Sports) - megson, Sep 6, 16:49:07
- uh-oh (n/m) (Other Sports) - Chris Peacock, Sep 6, 15:30:22
- It is for a team that can bat to start with (n/m) (Other Sports) - Seargent, Sep 6, 15:25:37
- It was all shaping up for being a really close finish. (n/m) (Other Sports) - DrDublin, Sep 6, 16:20:55
- India are just better than us (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Sep 6, 16:33:00
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