It's a bit like England football teams of the past though

only a few days ago, people were going on about how much better this batting line-up looked, how much more secure it was. Then we get skittled out (by perhaps the best seam bowler India have ever had), and once again we're apparently picked the wrong players.

I think the problems are much deeper and more structural. We don't have enough players to pick from, the ones we do have don't play nearly enough long-form cricket. So we just don't have enough test-quality players (and particularly, for English conditions, batsmen) to pick from. There's no easy answer, and it certainly isnt around just being better at picking the team.

Posted By: jampersands on September 6th 2021 at 16:54:59

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FFS I thought this was a great wicket to bat on? (n/m) (Other Sports) - loz, Sep 6, 14:31:27
- India are just better than us (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Sep 6, 16:33:00
  - Kohli is a much better captain, and a lot of it stems from there. (n/m) (Other Sports) - megson, Sep 6, 16:49:07
    - dont agree with that. Their players are better. (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 16:57:06
      - I did say "a lot of it" I wasn't necessarily disagreeing! (Other Sports) - megson, Sep 6, 17:09:19
  - Fine margins. If we could catch and show a bit more composure this would be very close (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 16:39:43
    - More so the first one, yeah (Other Sports) - jamesward, Sep 6, 16:41:26
      - Thing is we keep cycling round the same players (Other Sports) - Under soil heating, Sep 6, 16:57:17
        
        Yep, there are no obvious or easy answers. Stokes makes a big difference (Other Sports) - megson, Sep 6, 17:14:55
        
        exactly this (n/m) (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 16:58:25
        
        (with the exception that I think Pope might end up with a higher average (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 16:59:34
        
        Fully disagree - I blame Silverwood and the selectors (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 17:07:33
        
        You do have to question what any of these England coaches actually do to earn their money (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:15:40
        
        Indeed (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 17:30:15
        
        I don't really understand why you think their average are fucked vs their abilities (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 17:14:31
        
        breaking averages (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 17:42:37
        
        You could say the same for Moeen's bolwing as well (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 18:26:48
        
        He plays for *cough*splutter Worcestershire,!!, (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 18:39:44
        
        Sorry I meant Worcestershire! Got confused as was thinking about the Hundred (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 18:57:04
        
        Hahaha - yep (Other Sports) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 6, 19:13:30
        
        Overton for me is not quite at the right level. Appreciate our options are limited (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:18:56
      - It's a bit like England football teams of the past though (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 16:54:59
      - We should have got more in our first innings and caught Sharma early in their second and (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 16:42:26
        
        "we should have scored more runs" (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 17:01:26
        
        Well what I mean is that Pope, Bairstow and Mo all got themselves out whilst well set to (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:11:49
        
        Pope got 80. Mo and Bairstow just did what they always do. (n/m) (Other Sports) - jampersands, Sep 6, 17:15:34
        
        Yes and Pope should have got 100 from that position and Bairstow and Mo should have (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:17:31
        
        Totally agree Jim - India bowled brilliantly today but our 1st innings was below par. (Other Sports) - norwaay, Sep 6, 17:23:08
        
        I'd say Bairstow and Mo were more culpable than Pope. I like Pope - we need to stick with (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 17:28:55
        
        Moeen's first innings dismissal was criminal. (Other Sports) - norwaay, Sep 6, 18:07:09
        
        All "ifs" though. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jim, Sep 6, 16:42:57
- uh-oh (n/m) (Other Sports) - Chris Peacock, Sep 6, 15:30:22
- It is for a team that can bat to start with (n/m) (Other Sports) - Seargent, Sep 6, 15:25:37
  - It was all shaping up for being a really close finish. (n/m) (Other Sports) - DrDublin, Sep 6, 16:20:55

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