I agree about the failure to find agreement, that was mainly caused by the then PM

laying down immovable red lines from the start, that meant we were always choosing between a Hard Brexit and No Deal.

It needed cross party talks when she came in to power, and a consensus reached in parliament through debates and motions.

At THAT POINT A50 could have been triggered.
Or we could have just done it via treaty over time and come out gradually with no single shock date.

There was a way this could have been done, but once the Brexit narrative was changed in to a fight with the EU in order to appease those that voted leave, that chance was lost.

You say leave was more open to considering different forms of Brexit, that disappeared the day after the result (if it every actually existed). Had that position been real, and continued, we'd be out by now.

Posted By: megson on September 4th 2019 at 10:08:50

Message Thread

Think I may consider voting lib dem for the first time ever (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 4, 08:27:37
- main parties don't usually oppose speaker (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 4, 10:11:56
- I’m the same (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 09:47:33
  - I will absolutely vote Labour (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Sep 4, 18:53:10
  - But the Lib Dems want a 2nd referendum (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 09:50:24
    - May as well stay in as leave under any kind of deal that could be agreed by (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 4, 10:56:05
    - No they don't they have explicitly stated they wish to Stop brexit. (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 09:53:58
      - Well Parliament is never going to revoke A50 (General Chat) - duke of york, Sep 4, 09:54:59
    - Yes...but I don’t really have a problem with a confirmatory vote (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 09:51:08
      - But Brexit would need specifying this time (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 09:55:02
        
        Absolutely (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 09:58:03
        
        I think the motion is based upon if he doesn't receive a new deal (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 10:17:37
        
        EU has always known parliament would block no deal (General Chat) - duke of york, Sep 4, 10:09:44
        
        why? He can still go back to the EU with these talks he says were progressing. (General Chat) - megson, Sep 4, 10:03:19
        
        Well yes, I agree (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 10:12:25
        
        Only issue is if you let him do that (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 10:18:22
        
        coin flip if it comes down to Remain vs No Deal (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 4, 10:17:24
        
        How when so little support? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 10:19:45
        
        so little support for what? (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 4, 10:25:36
        
        The thing about leave with a deal is barely anyone wants it (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 10:36:06
        
        because no-one has really set out what vision of Britain they want (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 4, 11:53:30
        
        The WA was a blind brexit, too much left to be decided at a later date (General Chat) - megson, Sep 4, 11:09:06
        
        Not a chance the people vote no deal is there? (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 10:16:50
        
        I’m not so sure.... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 10:19:48
        
        While I take your point, I don;t think it would happen. (General Chat) - megson, Sep 4, 10:30:25
        
        Yes only the very dimmest believe in this clean break (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 10:40:45
        
        I hope you’re right. I’m still feeling a bit bruised from the first one (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 10:36:24
        
        With Brexit undefined first time round (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 10:28:25
        
        Hopefully - I’m feeling pessimistic about the judgement of the people (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 10:37:00
        
        I am surprised there is still a strong support for it (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 10:43:10
        
        That was what the original campaign was built on (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 10:56:09
        
        Indeed but the lies have now been proven (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 10:59:33
        
        No they haven't (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 4, 12:17:56
        
        Ha VMT (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 17:39:17
        
        GE not his call though however much he wants one (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 10:11:03
        
        There is a vast majority interested in voting for anything that ends this (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 09:57:17
- Whigs... come on you Blue, Buff and Oranges (n/m) (General Chat) - Worthing Yellow, Sep 4, 09:19:40
- After a lot of soul searching I'm voting for Kier Starmer (General Chat) - Dunney, Sep 4, 08:59:08
- #libdemsurge (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 08:54:11
  - Should be their time. If they can hoover up a load of these rebel MP's and then (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 4, 09:00:18
    - Surely Labour will get off the fence (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 09:06:05
      - Still got the Corbyn/communism issue though (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 4, 09:32:58
        
        Well it's more socialism but still an issue (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 09:35:19
      - Think labour will be decimated, especially if they vote against general election (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 09:28:44
- excellent news i am very fucking happy for you that's so reassuring to know (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 4, 08:42:39
  - General chat category old bean. Don;t read it if not interested. (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 4, 08:50:09
    - Political posts really do bring the worst out of people (General Chat) - strap_on sally, Sep 4, 09:26:53
      - *in your opinion* (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 09:29:23
      - The worst out of bad people definitely (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 4, 09:28:27
    - but, cricket is real life james (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 4, 08:51:31
      - Praying for rain (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 4, 09:10:52
      - If only it was! Things would be much better if real life was like cricket (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 4, 08:53:07
        
        indeed, i think this test is all about getting smith out early (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 4, 08:54:52
        
        They seem to have selected Overton purely on the basis that he once got him out in Aus (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 4, 08:59:31
        
        lyon is a concern hopefully headingly will have got to the aussies though (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 4, 09:01:30
        
        Who can bowl a bouncer to smash Boris and Corbyn in the head and get rid of them for a bit (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 4, 08:54:14
  - You have the ability to ignore this if it is not to your taste. (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 08:49:27
    - hush now (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 4, 08:52:23
      - Don't need to ask for it Tombs, it shall be stated regardless (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 09:36:40
  - Ha ha vmt (n/m) (General Chat) - loz, Sep 4, 08:47:53
- I am going to wait to see whats on offer and then vote for the best least worst option (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 08:36:49
  - Lib Dem it is then (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 4, 09:49:27
    - I'm not sure i could vote for Jo Swinson as a PM (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 09:52:54
- You should have listen to Ken Clarke from last night (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 08:35:31
  - I don’t normally wade into these debates (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Sep 4, 09:21:16
    - .. (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 09:34:07
      - ... (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Sep 4, 09:42:50
    - It came from the horses mouth David Cameron himself (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 09:30:14
      - But people were not listening to Cameron/Govt as this was dismissed as project fear (General Chat) - megson, Sep 4, 09:42:24
        
        Ill reclarify (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Sep 4, 09:50:03
        
        I agree about the failure to find agreement, that was mainly caused by the then PM (General Chat) - megson, Sep 4, 10:08:50

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