My very basic understanding of it (although its much more complex than this)
is that when doctors currently work weekends (or other long hours outside their shift pattern - which they seem to have to do because there are no enough of them) then they get paid extra for it (i.e. overtime rates) but because the Government is trying to move to the NHS being 24 hours a day and 7 days a week, working weekends would no longer ordinarily be regarded as outside of normal hours and so they would just get paid at their usual rate for those shifts save that the government has now offered to pay extra for working one saturday in 4.
In return the government seems to be saying that they will increase their basic pay by 11% (presumably to offset the loss in overtime payments) and will put more safeguards in place to ensure they don't have to work so many long shifts.
I assume the doctors are saying that unless the government recruits more doctors then regardless of what the contract says they will still end up working extra hours anyway but will just get paid less?
The government does seem to be using a sledghammer to crack a nut with a lot of these situations. Give was the same with the teachers. It seems to become a matter of doctors v Hunt or teachers v Gove when it appears that a lot of the actual issues are quite narrow and could probably be resolved with a bit more of a collaborative approach.
Posted By: Jim on February 11th 2016 at 11:46:29
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- This here junior doctors contract business (General Chat) - Jim, Feb 11, 11:25:31
- Isn't it just Saturday pay that's the stumbling block (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Feb 11, 11:31:27
- My very basic understanding of it (although its much more complex than this) (General Chat) - Jim, Feb 11, 11:46:29
- And look at the state of teaching right now, in terms of supply! (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Feb 11, 12:38:15
- Who do you trust? Junior Doctor's (Junior is a bit misleading too) or Jermey Hunt? (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Feb 11, 11:37:58
- But I think there is a bit of a danger in taking that approach (General Chat) - Jim, Feb 11, 11:58:30
- Plus if you want MORE staff in at weekends, you'll get LESS in during the week. (General Chat) - megson, Feb 11, 12:32:38
- And why the doctors have a very valid concern around patient safety (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Feb 11, 12:39:50
- The NHS is already 7 fucking days. Jesus H Christ (General Chat) - megson, Feb 11, 12:27:16
- You're talking to Jim. Jim doesn't have common sense. (n/m) (General Chat) - strap_on sally, Feb 11, 12:50:55
- Ignoring your usual tedious dig what part of what i have said does not show (General Chat) - Jim, Feb 11, 13:54:23
- You're talking to Jim. Jim doesn't have common sense. (n/m) (General Chat) - strap_on sally, Feb 11, 12:50:55
- Plus if you want MORE staff in at weekends, you'll get LESS in during the week. (General Chat) - megson, Feb 11, 12:32:38
- isnt it a choice between trusting (General Chat) - CWC, Feb 11, 11:49:44
- There is no choice unless you are a Quack junior, it's not a referendum (General Chat) - Tombs, Feb 11, 11:53:09
- I think Doctor's are bright enough to read all the detail and make their choice. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Feb 11, 11:50:18
- that want my point (General Chat) - CWC, Feb 11, 11:56:31
- My thoughts exactly. (n/m) (General Chat) - manc_yello, Feb 11, 11:39:54
- But I think there is a bit of a danger in taking that approach (General Chat) - Jim, Feb 11, 11:58:30
- My very basic understanding of it (although its much more complex than this) (General Chat) - Jim, Feb 11, 11:46:29
- Isn't it just Saturday pay that's the stumbling block (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Feb 11, 11:31:27
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