I would suggest

that in my 40 years of watching English football there have been perhaps two - Clough and Ferguson, otherwise there have been a few adequate ones who got lucky. The lionising of a racist clown as a great manager confirms me in my opinion.

Posted By: Reg Presley on December 29th 2008 at 21:29:04

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Re. Yesterday's list of people still in favour of Roeder (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:04:44
- On a personal level I don't like the guy (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 20:43:45
  - What if we were in the bottom three with 10 games to go? (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:52:41
    - Not replace him, by the time you got someone else in prob 7/8 games left (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 20:55:51
      - why is spending the only issue? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:57:49
        
        Can't keep replacing managers every 9/12 months IMO (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 20:59:49
        
        Surely if you are replacing managers on an annual basis (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:04:18
        
        Quite. What that is though I am not sure (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:10:25
        
        Maybe it's 'nice old norwich / norfolk way of life' - laid back, easy going (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:14:27
        
        So why then is Roeder criticised (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:18:00
        
        Yes, I think it prob is - trouble is players don't like it maybe? Acting like spoilt brats (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:19:52
        
        well the management of the club can rub off (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:15:53
        
        if we employ people who are incompetent why not? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:03:20
        
        As stated before, not sure it is entirley down to Managers (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:11:16
        
        if it lasted 26 games (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:12:28
        
        Fergie's form was dreadful by Man U's standings for a lot longer (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:15:07
        
        not sure how long his run went on for (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:17:00
        
        2 or 3 seasons wasn't it until Robins saved his job (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:20:25
        
        i was too young back then (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:21:35
        
        I agree in principle (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:02:25
        
        Spot on - different peopl - different views. ANy new manager is always a gamle with no (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:12:11
        
        some managers moreso than others (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:13:30
        
        Time will tell. Did a superb job keeping us up. I didn't expect an instant turnaround (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:16:06
        
        he usually does a superb job when he arrives (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:17:49
        
        the board said grant put the club back years (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:04:00
        
        Yes but he didn't (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:07:45
        
        what about (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:10:06
        
        Well his signings were shocking (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:17:06
        
        the board are to blame too (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:18:42
        
        We can if we have the stomach for it (n/m) (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:22:17
        
        And incessantly slagging the players in public because he saw Mourinho do it on the telly. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 29, 21:12:43
        
        Especially Cureton after he selfishly tried (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:14:05
        
        The Croft thing against Tamworth actually annoyed me more. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 29, 21:18:18
        
        in the same way (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:22:31
      - fair enough - nothing wrong with saying (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:56:52
        
        "Nearly" - although do see your point with Brooking. Alas (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:01:52
        
        Dave Stringer... (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 21:07:01
        
        Gunny (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:10:18
        
        jeremy goss? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:05:35
        
        Brooking v Goss. Not much contest really when u think what each achieved in their careers (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:13:25
        
        sorry was just a joke (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:14:25
  - in other walks of life (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:50:29
    - In other walks of life (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:01:12
      - the contracts we offer definitely need looking at (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:05:04
        
        as did grant. decent human beings (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:06:50
        
        and a job to walk back into (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:08:11
      - What kind of targets though? (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:03:40
        
        Well in the case of Malpas (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:12:00
        
        Indeed, I agree with that (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:14:46
        
        Doesn't need many does it? (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:21:45
        
        I don't think there are many wholly "good" ones no (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:24:16
        
        I would suggest (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:29:04
    - Like you say, in other walks of life (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 20:56:40
      - and football shouldn't be so different (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:59:35
        
        N, I'm not saying it's ok, I'm saying it's the way it is. (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:24:25
- For the record, Roeder is still in credit with me. Just. (NCFC) - KentonCanary, Dec 29, 20:32:34
- Surely we don't have the money to sack GR... (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 29, 19:31:41
  - of course we can afford to sack him (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:35:14
    - So no new Manager and no budget. May as well stick to what we have. (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 29, 19:38:13
      - can't a change of manager (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:41:51
        
        Yes, until the players 'lose respect' for the new one and we have to change it again. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:45:35
        
        well we need to employ someone who isn't terrible (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:47:34
        
        Grant was probably the most inept manager in the club's history. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:55:23
        
        Oh come on! How can it be (NCFC) - BillySteele, Dec 29, 20:27:37
        
        yeah they were dodgy (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:57:00
        
        Suppose so. I just fear it would be the usual one performance then back to the grind. (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 29, 19:45:06
    - that is indeed a problem (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:38:12
  - We're not going down this season. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:34:59
    - if we play like we did yesterday it COULD happen (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Dec 29, 20:56:20
    - Sorry that is just (NCFC) - BillySteele, Dec 29, 20:30:23
      - Forest may improve under a new manager (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 20:51:36
        
        Which is exactly the argument the outers use (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:54:08
        
        you can say "we can't keep changing managers every year" (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 21:01:33
        
        Well, yes, I agree with that (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:03:56
        
        not wanting to sack the manaher (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:54:45
        
        is never a reason not to sack the manager (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:55:56
        
        he's speculating (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:52:32
    - we were only in a dire position last season in around october (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:43:23
      - Funnily enough, thanks to Roeder and the excellent run we went on when he started. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:48:34
        
        and ever since leicester we've been terrible (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:52:39
    - Didn't someone say we had more (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 19:37:28
      - we've 2 less points this season (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:43:03
      - we weren't in a bad position last xmas were we? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:39:15
    - right up until yesterday i'd've agreed with that (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:37:22
      - Poor performance doesn't make a poor side. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:49:32
        
        we'll see how we do against Charlton in the cup (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 20:49:05
        
        and we've been consistently poor (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:54:02
        
        We've been inconsitently poor. (n/m) (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:57:12
- what list be this? (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:09:21
  - Some unofficial list that somebody started yesterday and nobody finished. (n/m) (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:24:40
    - as long as it's not official i'm not bothered if i'm on it or not (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:36:16
      - In what way would it be "official"?? (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 19:37:44
        
        in the same way that it wouldn't be "unofficial" (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:40:21
        
        But how would it be official? (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:19:07
        
        no idea, first i heard of any list (official or otherwise) is Tim's post above (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 20:38:17
        
        who the hell told you that? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:20:57
        
        Can I join? How much is it? (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:22:27
        
        ?9 (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:27:28
        
        Do I need to buy my own pins? (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:28:43
        
        i will supply miniature 'implements' (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:31:42
        
        to avoid any confusion (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:42:19
        
        i could have written it? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:40:12
        
        Yeah, that was it... (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:43:20
- sort of agree with you (NCFC) - Charles21, Dec 29, 19:07:01
  - The problem is (NCFC) - Iwan Husarmi, Dec 29, 19:11:18
    - The board need to give Roeder money. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:30:20
      - i thought he had spent (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:35:35
        
        Hasn't spent loads though. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:42:13
        
        none of the clubs in the bottom half have (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:46:14
        
        The performances I've seen are generally better than those I've seen from last two years. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:51:41
        
        if i was judging the scum, forest away, and watford game (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:55:27

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