Oh come on! How can it be

a 'mythical self-fulfilling prophecy'? Its' FACT for goodness sake.

The argument that we should stick with a dreadful manger simply because we had to get rid of the last two is silly. SCC 28 is right. He's no good, and he should go.

Having said that I don't think the Board are brave enough to admit their error again. And, in the same way as some of the posters on here, they are somehow taken in by the Roeder 'myth' that he is a decent operator when he clearly isn't.

It really is 'the Emperor's new clothes'!

Posted By: BillySteele on December 29th 2008 at 20:27:37

Message Thread

Re. Yesterday's list of people still in favour of Roeder (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:04:44
- On a personal level I don't like the guy (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 20:43:45
  - What if we were in the bottom three with 10 games to go? (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:52:41
    - Not replace him, by the time you got someone else in prob 7/8 games left (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 20:55:51
      - why is spending the only issue? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:57:49
        
        Can't keep replacing managers every 9/12 months IMO (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 20:59:49
        
        Surely if you are replacing managers on an annual basis (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:04:18
        
        Quite. What that is though I am not sure (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:10:25
        
        Maybe it's 'nice old norwich / norfolk way of life' - laid back, easy going (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:14:27
        
        So why then is Roeder criticised (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:18:00
        
        Yes, I think it prob is - trouble is players don't like it maybe? Acting like spoilt brats (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:19:52
        
        well the management of the club can rub off (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:15:53
        
        if we employ people who are incompetent why not? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:03:20
        
        As stated before, not sure it is entirley down to Managers (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:11:16
        
        if it lasted 26 games (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:12:28
        
        Fergie's form was dreadful by Man U's standings for a lot longer (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:15:07
        
        not sure how long his run went on for (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:17:00
        
        2 or 3 seasons wasn't it until Robins saved his job (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:20:25
        
        i was too young back then (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:21:35
        
        I agree in principle (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:02:25
        
        Spot on - different peopl - different views. ANy new manager is always a gamle with no (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:12:11
        
        some managers moreso than others (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:13:30
        
        Time will tell. Did a superb job keeping us up. I didn't expect an instant turnaround (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:16:06
        
        he usually does a superb job when he arrives (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:17:49
        
        the board said grant put the club back years (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:04:00
        
        Yes but he didn't (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:07:45
        
        what about (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:10:06
        
        Well his signings were shocking (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:17:06
        
        the board are to blame too (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:18:42
        
        We can if we have the stomach for it (n/m) (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:22:17
        
        And incessantly slagging the players in public because he saw Mourinho do it on the telly. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 29, 21:12:43
        
        Especially Cureton after he selfishly tried (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:14:05
        
        The Croft thing against Tamworth actually annoyed me more. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 29, 21:18:18
        
        in the same way (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:22:31
      - fair enough - nothing wrong with saying (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:56:52
        
        "Nearly" - although do see your point with Brooking. Alas (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:01:52
        
        Dave Stringer... (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 21:07:01
        
        Gunny (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:10:18
        
        jeremy goss? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:05:35
        
        Brooking v Goss. Not much contest really when u think what each achieved in their careers (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:13:25
        
        sorry was just a joke (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:14:25
  - in other walks of life (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:50:29
    - In other walks of life (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:01:12
      - the contracts we offer definitely need looking at (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:05:04
        
        as did grant. decent human beings (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:06:50
        
        and a job to walk back into (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 21:08:11
      - What kind of targets though? (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:03:40
        
        Well in the case of Malpas (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:12:00
        
        Indeed, I agree with that (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:14:46
        
        Doesn't need many does it? (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:21:45
        
        I don't think there are many wholly "good" ones no (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:24:16
        
        I would suggest (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Dec 29, 21:29:04
    - Like you say, in other walks of life (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 20:56:40
      - and football shouldn't be so different (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:59:35
        
        N, I'm not saying it's ok, I'm saying it's the way it is. (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Dec 29, 21:24:25
- For the record, Roeder is still in credit with me. Just. (NCFC) - KentonCanary, Dec 29, 20:32:34
- Surely we don't have the money to sack GR... (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 29, 19:31:41
  - of course we can afford to sack him (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:35:14
    - So no new Manager and no budget. May as well stick to what we have. (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 29, 19:38:13
      - can't a change of manager (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:41:51
        
        Yes, until the players 'lose respect' for the new one and we have to change it again. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:45:35
        
        well we need to employ someone who isn't terrible (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:47:34
        
        Grant was probably the most inept manager in the club's history. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:55:23
        
        Oh come on! How can it be (NCFC) - BillySteele, Dec 29, 20:27:37
        
        yeah they were dodgy (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:57:00
        
        Suppose so. I just fear it would be the usual one performance then back to the grind. (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Dec 29, 19:45:06
    - that is indeed a problem (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:38:12
  - We're not going down this season. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:34:59
    - if we play like we did yesterday it COULD happen (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Dec 29, 20:56:20
    - Sorry that is just (NCFC) - BillySteele, Dec 29, 20:30:23
      - Forest may improve under a new manager (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 20:51:36
        
        Which is exactly the argument the outers use (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:54:08
        
        you can say "we can't keep changing managers every year" (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 21:01:33
        
        Well, yes, I agree with that (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 21:03:56
        
        not wanting to sack the manaher (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:54:45
        
        is never a reason not to sack the manager (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:55:56
        
        he's speculating (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:52:32
    - we were only in a dire position last season in around october (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:43:23
      - Funnily enough, thanks to Roeder and the excellent run we went on when he started. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:48:34
        
        and ever since leicester we've been terrible (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:52:39
    - Didn't someone say we had more (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 19:37:28
      - we've 2 less points this season (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:43:03
      - we weren't in a bad position last xmas were we? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:39:15
    - right up until yesterday i'd've agreed with that (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:37:22
      - Poor performance doesn't make a poor side. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:49:32
        
        we'll see how we do against Charlton in the cup (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 20:49:05
        
        and we've been consistently poor (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:54:02
        
        We've been inconsitently poor. (n/m) (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:57:12
- what list be this? (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:09:21
  - Some unofficial list that somebody started yesterday and nobody finished. (n/m) (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:24:40
    - as long as it's not official i'm not bothered if i'm on it or not (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:36:16
      - In what way would it be "official"?? (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 19:37:44
        
        in the same way that it wouldn't be "unofficial" (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 19:40:21
        
        But how would it be official? (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:19:07
        
        no idea, first i heard of any list (official or otherwise) is Tim's post above (NCFC) - blindasabat, Dec 29, 20:38:17
        
        who the hell told you that? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:20:57
        
        Can I join? How much is it? (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:22:27
        
        ?9 (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:27:28
        
        Do I need to buy my own pins? (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 29, 20:28:43
        
        i will supply miniature 'implements' (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 20:31:42
        
        to avoid any confusion (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:42:19
        
        i could have written it? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:40:12
        
        Yeah, that was it... (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:43:20
- sort of agree with you (NCFC) - Charles21, Dec 29, 19:07:01
  - The problem is (NCFC) - Iwan Husarmi, Dec 29, 19:11:18
    - The board need to give Roeder money. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:30:20
      - i thought he had spent (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:35:35
        
        Hasn't spent loads though. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:42:13
        
        none of the clubs in the bottom half have (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:46:14
        
        The performances I've seen are generally better than those I've seen from last two years. (NCFC) - tim berry, Dec 29, 19:51:41
        
        if i was judging the scum, forest away, and watford game (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 29, 19:55:27

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