Actually I think that's not clear yet

(ie it's not clear that she has XY) - the evidence is only from the IBA test which they haven't released, and the IOC hasn't done such a test (and won't)

I do think that XY should be a bright line distinction, but I approach this as a lawyer not a biologist!

Posted By: Old Git on August 2nd 2024 at 20:29:18

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loving the mixed boxing at this lympix (Other Sports) - Real Man, Aug 2, 17:26:00
- After seeing all that down there v v v v v peeps seem to be missing PK Canary, (n/m) (Other Sports) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 2, 20:05:08
- Cheers JK Rowling (n/m) (Other Sports) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 2, 19:55:59
  - ^^^^ misogynist..... clearly hates real women.... (Other Sports) - usacanary, Aug 2, 20:19:48
    - wut? (n/m) (Other Sports) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 2, 20:52:25
- Really tricky one this. (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 19:01:32
  - Has she been tested though? (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 2, 19:35:52
    - "usual suspects" (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 20:08:36
      - It doesn’t contradict the IOC statement (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 2, 20:17:09
    - Interesting stuff (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 2, 20:03:16
    - Well, well, well. (n/m) (Other Sports) - norwaay, Aug 2, 20:00:15
  - It's not tricky at all (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 19:24:14
    - It’s a tough one because it’s being weaponised by transphobes. (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 19:31:34
      - "as a post-graduate biologist, I find it hard to see the advantage she has" (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 19:42:53
        
        She may well be a biological male (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 2, 19:49:21
        
        There's no IOC test because as I understand the IOC rules (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 19:53:56
        
        The IBA President claimed there had been a test (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 2, 20:02:08
        
        No need to be rude. (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 19:47:57
        
        The Court of Arbitration in Sport set out the advantages in the Semanya case (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 19:59:06
        
        Samanya (sic) had a different condition. (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 20:09:57
        
        the point is that intersex athletes shouldn't compete against women (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 20:12:39
        
        I think SCC agrees with that; his point is that there's insufficient evidence that these (n/m) (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 20:14:46
        
        whooops - that these two boxers are intersex (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 20:15:48
        
        but they dont want them tested for some reason (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 20:17:22
        
        Who doesn’t want them tested? (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 2, 20:18:38
        
        Those who wont accept a cheek swab test (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 20:19:49
        
        I don’t think anyone is denying that she has XY chromosomes. (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 20:24:25
        
        Actually I think that's not clear yet (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 20:29:18
        
        Personally, I agree XY should be the line. (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 20:38:01
        
        Thank you, you too (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 20:46:41
        
        yeah good night. (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 20:25:23
        
        Not sure what I’ve done to offend you. (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 20:29:03
        
        I'm sorry if I have offended you. (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 20:32:30
        
        I agree with that as a general proposition (n/m) (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 20:47:56
        
        SD tried engaging you in a grown up discussion. (Other Sports) - norwaay, Aug 2, 20:35:55
        
        doesnt change the facts (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 20:37:35
        
        Which are clearly not entirely established. (Other Sports) - norwaay, Aug 2, 20:41:04
        
        ha ha (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 20:41:52
        
        You have been courteous SD (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 20:29:55
        
        Cheers OG. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 20:42:31
        
        Agree (Other Sports) - norwaay, Aug 2, 20:36:30
        
        you are not really a biologist, are you? (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 19:49:55
        
        Sheffield University (2:1), followed by King’s College. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 19:52:11
      - This is how she presents herself in normal life (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 19:33:31
        
        I don’t see the relevance. (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 19:43:02
        
        The issue is that she doesnt present as a woman. (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 19:47:28
        
        What’s been documented? (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 2, 19:50:49
        
        Her banning from competition. (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 19:52:00
        
        We know she was banned after beating a Russian (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 2, 19:53:53
        
        probably the document it was written on? (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 19:55:25
        
        Which nobody has seen 👍 (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 2, 20:04:18
        
        She could always clear it up with a cheek swab test, of course (n/m) (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 19:54:59
        
        I don’t think this is a helpful attitude (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 2, 20:06:08
        
        isnt (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 19:47:43
        
        Weight really not relevant (Other Sports) - Old Git, Aug 2, 19:46:40
        
        See my reply to your other post. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 19:50:16
  - quite right. But Imane shouldn't be boxing females. (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 2, 19:05:04
    - As I say, really tricky. (Other Sports) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 2, 19:07:46
- But it says it on their passports for goodness sake! I mean, what more proof is needed?! (n/m) (Other Sports) - paulg, Aug 2, 17:30:39
  - perhaps we need a third section (Other Sports) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 2, 18:07:36
    - What are your thoughts on the Mixed Relays real man? (n/m) (Other Sports) - Huge Small, Aug 2, 18:26:40
      - Loving anything showing birds men is physically superior m8 (Other Sports) - Real Man, Aug 2, 18:29:54
        
        I see (n/m) (Other Sports) - Huge Small, Aug 2, 19:30:44
        
        lolf (n/m) (Other Sports) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 2, 20:02:47

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