Yep, totally agree.

I know I keep harping on about this, and it sounds like I kept defending Wagner but rarely does sacking a manager fix the fundamental issues at a club for it's lack of success.
Pep isn't going into Rotherham and make them world beaters without better players.

I think History will judge Wagner pretty well.
Made the top 6 with a squad that wasn't close to being top 4 quality.
IMHO that's not a huge failure.

Before we start celebrating Wagners demise it should be noted the club has a monumental task of rebuilding.
It should also be worth noting that Knapper has no experience of this or picking a manager/coach for this huge task.

Clearly the squad has gotten really old and we need to bring through some of the talent currently on loan.

Need to probably sell Idaho and Tzolis to raise some initial cash. Probably need to bin the whole back line apart from Gunn if we want to seriously challenge for promotion again.
This could be really painful for a while.

Posted By: usacanary on May 17th 2024 at 11:52:41

Message Thread

Plenty on here said there was no way wagner would be sacked … (NCFC) - loz, May 17, 11:25:58
- You're obsession with lord knapper isn't healthy (n/m) (NCFC) - ParrotPuncher, May 17, 12:10:59
- The biggest positive of the news is we won't have Liz saying Wagner out after every (NCFC) - maidstoneyellow, May 17, 11:55:36
  - Do you keep calling me Liz deliberately ?…, (NCFC) - loz, May 17, 12:16:32
    - you should stick to that instead of banging on about Ukraine (NCFC) - Cable Gap Pioneer, May 17, 15:02:52
- really? (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, May 17, 11:39:25
  - Yep, totally agree. (NCFC) - usacanary, May 17, 11:52:41
  - Agreed, people acting like he was Peter Grant. Got a top 6ish squad (NCFC) - megson, May 17, 11:49:05
    - Playing shite football (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 17, 11:55:09
      - 5th in the league on goals scored, with the leagues highest scorer on GPM (NCFC) - megson, May 17, 11:59:48
        
        We have some great talent (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 17, 12:05:57
        
        One wasn’t it? (n/m) (NCFC) - Jumbo1, May 17, 13:49:05
      - Do you remember us under Hamilton? (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, May 17, 11:58:02
        
        We had much worse squads under those managers (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 12:01:45
        
        I also remember the players (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 17, 12:01:22
        
        Positive day...LOLz (NCFC) - usacanary, May 17, 12:21:39
        
        Nah just have hope like most others (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 17, 13:10:17
        
        I'm not being snide (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, May 17, 12:10:46
        
        VAR looks like it’s staying too 😉 (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 17, 12:12:03
        
        Oi (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, May 17, 12:00:52
    - The whole season was Sociology to me. Human nature judged and made a decision about someon (NCFC) - Lentil Weaver, May 17, 11:52:11
      - Good post panters,there's always stuff to learn about human nature. (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, May 17, 12:24:11
      - Its funny how many posts there are today about rebuilding the squad (NCFC) - megson, May 17, 11:56:43
        
        Someone different gives us the hope of something better (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 12:06:58
        
        It's easy (NCFC) - camcan, May 17, 12:02:49
        
        And we don't have a pot piss in unless we sell.... (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, May 17, 12:52:16
        
        Well, when you put it like that! (NCFC) - megson, May 17, 12:46:27
        
        Cuesta speaks 6 languages (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 12:15:28
        
        Not too much to ask is it. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, May 17, 12:09:24
        
        TBF, most of the time rebuilds don't work... (NCFC) - usacanary, May 17, 12:02:44
        
        Not sure anyone is confident (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 17, 11:58:09
        
        Really? (NCFC) - megson, May 17, 12:00:36
        
        I'd say that sounds hopeful, rather than certain that we'll do brilliantly (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 12:10:29
        
        A rare one then (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 17, 12:09:02
      - I don't think so (NCFC) - camcan, May 17, 11:56:04
        
        VMT - I often post this, but being a football fan is all about hope I think (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 12:05:18
        
        VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 17, 12:10:18
        
        Absolutely! (NCFC) - camcan, May 17, 12:08:52
        
        It looked impressive on TV! (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 12:13:48
  - 👍🏼 (n/m) (NCFC) - JD3, May 17, 11:42:48
- This had to be preplanned just like Farkes sacking before Brentford. (NCFC) - usacanary, May 17, 11:35:44
  - A preplanned decision that led to us recruiting Deansmith. (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, May 17, 11:41:46
    - this (n/m) (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, May 17, 11:42:54
- Based on it always being the plan (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 17, 11:33:02
  - Maybe there was a clause in his contract relating to failure to get promoted? (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, May 17, 11:34:10
    - Perhaps (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 17, 11:34:50
      - Break clauses are cheaper in summer I believe… (NCFC) - loz, May 17, 11:36:29
        
        Isn't he on a 12 month rolling contract? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 11:38:45
        
        Yea but even rolling contracts have break clauses (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, May 17, 11:46:23
        
        Yes, a 12 month one (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 12:08:43
- somebody said yonks a go he'd been sacked when knapper got here no? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, May 17, 11:32:25
  - I think there's something in this (NCFC) - ShamedSeamus, May 17, 11:47:21
  - Someone that was completely making it up (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 11:35:28
- Its reassuring we are doing it quickly and appear to have a plan (NCFC) - Jim, May 17, 11:32:25
  - I'm withholding judgement on EVERYTHING (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, May 17, 11:40:23
  - I remember thinking we had a plan sometime previously.... (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 11:36:44
- Knapper gone up in my estimation. Keeps a low profile but clearly working to a plan. (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, May 17, 11:30:41
  - Pierre Van Hooijdonk taking his first managerial role (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 11:37:49
- And they were quite right to express that reasoning (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, May 17, 11:29:41
- I didn't think he would be, but very pleased he has been (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 11:26:35
  - Yeah I’d given up hope tbh (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 17, 11:34:03
  - Nice guy for sure very limited manager (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, May 17, 11:27:50
    - "Very" is harsh (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 11:32:48
      - His tactics are pretty Stone Age … (NCFC) - loz, May 17, 11:33:47
        
        How's your Uefa pro license badge going Liz? (NCFC) - maidstoneyellow, May 17, 11:54:43
        
        Sure - still achieved more than a lot of others though (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 17, 11:35:16
        
        The scope for disappointment with his successor is high (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, May 17, 11:42:11

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