A few notes here
While I agree it is not time to massively increase the capacity (I would be ok with 30k if it were cheap and easy), you don't wait until you have zero empty seats before increasing. If you do that, you're already losing money.
It's about scaling. You can have a lot more growth potential if you're just a few percentage beneath the capacity. There are many more reasons for a few empty seats than inability to fill it. The weather, the opponent, holiday seasons, recent results, non season ticket holders who will only go if they can find seats together for their group etc etc. And all those factors are very volatile.
Discussion above suggests we are at least about 92% capacity when we have been playing some s**t on and off for a couple of years. That tells me that if the funds are there it's good to increase capacity (build it and they will come), but not so full that we should increase at a high risk or cost. A stadium which is between 92 and 99% full each week does NOT suggest demand does not outstrip supply. There is a lot of silent demand - those who are put off by previous experience of sell outs and just don't try any more.
Secondly, this is a business decision. No business is going to care with regard to capacity if season ticket holders are going to turn up or not. Those seats are already sold. From a football sense, a few hundred missing season ticket holders aren't going to make a massive difference. If it gets to 4 or 5 thousand and you're in a 50k stadium with 8k fans then yes, it's going to feel empty and soulless.
Posted By: Legacy Fan on May 5th 2024 at 23:16:26
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- Average home attendance 24,905 (NCFC) - jamesward, May 5, 20:00:26
- Some numbers (NCFC) - Henclrikus, May 5, 21:18:38
- No way is this correct.....2021/22 - 28,810 (PL) (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 21:20:48
- Indeed. A typo. 26,810. (NCFC) - Henclrikus, May 5, 21:27:22
- No way is this correct.....2021/22 - 28,810 (PL) (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 21:20:48
- Is that including Bristol rovers? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 20:42:24
- Where'd that # come from? (NCFC) - Henclrikus, May 5, 20:37:36
- EFL stats Twitter (NCFC) - jamesward, May 5, 20:52:36
- That is home fans only…. (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 20:53:16
- Ah, always read the small print (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, May 5, 20:55:46
- ^^not a stats guy (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 5, 21:01:10
- Or in this case, the really fucking big print 😂😂 (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 20:57:42
- I wonder how it compares to other seasons. Cost of living comments are valid (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 20:59:46
- Tbf (total minus away support) (NCFC) - jamesward, May 5, 20:58:54
- Smallest bit of the title, bigger than the list of clubs and attendances 😉 (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 21:01:12
- Yep total minus away fans (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 20:55:37
- Ah, always read the small print (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, May 5, 20:55:46
- That is home fans only…. (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 20:53:16
- and this site says (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 5, 20:45:37
- What if you add a number for the Plymouth home match? (NCFC) - Henclrikus, May 5, 20:54:42
- Lowest official attendance is 25.3k….. (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 20:48:47
- Its showing WBA at home as 25,180 (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 20:54:30
- Wiki says 25.8 for that. But makes no difference to the point (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 20:57:03
- wiki is a crock, likewise transfermkt (NCFC) - Henclrikus, May 5, 21:05:21
- 👍 I was just using it as a basic sense check of something that didn’t seem right (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 21:09:04
- This is no place for sense. Away with you. (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, May 5, 21:11:02
- 👍 I was just using it as a basic sense check of something that didn’t seem right (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 21:09:04
- Im finding a lot of errors on that site....one example (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 21:03:29
- wiki is a crock, likewise transfermkt (NCFC) - Henclrikus, May 5, 21:05:21
- Wiki says 25.8 for that. But makes no difference to the point (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 20:57:03
- Its showing WBA at home as 25,180 (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 20:54:30
- we stand corrected then (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 5, 20:39:25
- EFL stats Twitter (NCFC) - jamesward, May 5, 20:52:36
- Miraculous how Ipswich have gained 14000 new fans. (n/m) (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, May 5, 20:30:06
- Leeds and Ipswich have the most fair weather fans. (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 20:33:00
- There has been a genuine cost of living problem. Things have to give sometimes. (n/m) (NCFC) - shoddy, May 5, 20:26:44
- Would probably be worse with a bigger ground...... (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 20:22:04
- Yes (NCFC) - Chair_of_the_Bored, May 5, 21:24:12
- The only reason a club would consider ground expansion is..... (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 21:30:58
- A few notes here (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, May 5, 23:16:26
- Agreed (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 23:28:56
- Not to mention that... (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, May 5, 23:20:08
- Sorry (NCFC) - Chair_of_the_Bored, May 5, 21:48:38
- "Aging" fan base is also the loyal fan base (as much as some moan). More importantly, the (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, May 5, 23:23:53
- Average would increase with a bigger standard deviation (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 23:23:03
- Now this is something I can get on board with. (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 23:32:18
- Again... WHY would any club increase capacity if...... (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 23:21:34
- The business case is for the club to work out. However (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, May 5, 23:39:18
- Norfolk's population (NCFC) - Henclrikus, May 5, 22:08:38
- Who cares about watching our reserves in the FA Cup these days? (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, May 5, 23:22:22
- So the club should run the risk of fiscal ruin (NCFC) - Henclrikus, May 6, 00:35:24
- I agree on cost, but it would be good if more casual tickets were available (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, May 5, 23:21:00
- Counter point.... (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 23:28:39
- Who cares about watching our reserves in the FA Cup these days? (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, May 5, 23:22:22
- A few notes here (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, May 5, 23:16:26
- The only reason a club would consider ground expansion is..... (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 21:30:58
- Show every game on an app for £10 or a home/away season ticket (NCFC) - littletinyphil, May 5, 21:18:23
- Lol. No that income is priceless. Far less overhead, and promoted “growth” which is what (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, May 5, 23:28:21
- How do you know what they’ll be looking for? (NCFC) - littletinyphil, May 5, 23:37:17
- The honest truth is....... (NCFC) - usacanary, May 5, 23:36:41
- But the fan engagement it creates generates shirt sales etc, and that does matter (n/m) (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, May 5, 23:42:02
- Lol. No that income is priceless. Far less overhead, and promoted “growth” which is what (NCFC) - Legacy Fan, May 5, 23:28:21
- Yes (NCFC) - Chair_of_the_Bored, May 5, 21:24:12
- inflation , energy costs etc (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, May 5, 20:07:11
- Some numbers (NCFC) - Henclrikus, May 5, 21:18:38
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