We probably would have added some runs, yes

We don't know how many, or how many overs would have been used up.

The game would have just been different. Impossible to say if it would have been better or worse for England.

But, given we went into the second innings with a lead, surely the most obvious things to blame if we go on to lose are:

1. Missed chances when Australia were batting that would have given us a bigger lead; and
2. Not batting well enough in the second innings

Even if we lose, I'd point to those two factors as being decisive rather than the timing of the declaration.

Posted By: SimonOTBC on June 19th 2023 at 16:25:20

Message Thread

Declaration decision looking dodgy now (Other Sports) - Poirot, Jun 19, 15:29:10
- If those who think it was a good idea can explain why we have last 2 trying to squeeze (Other Sports) - fond, Jun 19, 16:11:56
  - so you're saying had we not declared early, the tail enders could've just chilled out? (Other Sports) - CWC, Jun 19, 16:31:03
    - No they were batting cos we needed more runs ? (Other Sports) - fond, Jun 19, 16:33:35
- Just wait and see. (n/m) (Other Sports) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 19, 15:51:39
- If only they could have predicted the future (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 19, 15:37:26
  - Was still reckless decision (n/m) (Other Sports) - fond, Jun 19, 15:48:02
    - An unnecessary one - if time were an issue then declare in the 2nd innings (n/m) (Other Sports) - fond, Jun 19, 16:01:41
    - Was a gamble (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 19, 15:53:09
  - If you make an unusual decision and lose a match you can't really then say (Other Sports) - megson, Jun 19, 15:40:54
  - Is it still hindsight if you thought they shouldn't declare at the time? (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 15:39:16
    - No. It means you have better cricket instincts than England's best cricketers (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 19, 15:51:26
      - GTFI (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 15:58:36
        
        Come round (n/m) (Other Sports) - Chris Peacock, Jun 19, 16:12:16
        
        jazwazball (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 19, 16:03:52
    - yes - everyone knows the decision could have gone either way (Other Sports) - paulg, Jun 19, 15:50:40
      - I don't think that fits the definition of hindsight (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 15:59:58
      - That is fair, but i'd say the stats would show that taking a wicket in those 4 overs was (Other Sports) - megson, Jun 19, 15:53:49
- or we could still be 50 runs behind (Other Sports) - ghostof barry butler, Jun 19, 15:31:46
  - You're determined to die on this hill (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 15:35:21
    - GOBB is right though, no one knows what would have happened had we not declared (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Jun 19, 15:42:27
      - Were we in a "great position" with a a lead of 7? (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 16:01:46
        
        You can't change a key moment and assume everything else would pan out the same (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Jun 19, 16:13:26
        
        You don't think we'd have added some runs? (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 16:15:58
        
        We probably would have added some runs, yes (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Jun 19, 16:25:20
        
        Yes, poor wicket keeping probably the biggest factor tbh (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 16:29:58
- bairstow's keeping even more so (n/m) (Other Sports) - paulg, Jun 19, 15:31:35
  - That one is going to rumble, and was a very tough call. (Other Sports) - megson, Jun 19, 15:35:20

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