yes - everyone knows the decision could have gone either way

that's obvious - the question is whether at the time it was justified, and the answer to that is yes, in my view - we could easily have taken a couple of wickets and the game would have been firmly in our favour (as well as the aussies freaked).
you can't rely in what happened next to justify the decision one way or the other, unless what happens is virtually inevitable (and so sheds light on the situation at the earlier point in time)

Posted By: paulg on June 19th 2023 at 15:50:40

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Declaration decision looking dodgy now (Other Sports) - Poirot, Jun 19, 15:29:10
- If those who think it was a good idea can explain why we have last 2 trying to squeeze (Other Sports) - fond, Jun 19, 16:11:56
  - so you're saying had we not declared early, the tail enders could've just chilled out? (Other Sports) - CWC, Jun 19, 16:31:03
    - No they were batting cos we needed more runs ? (Other Sports) - fond, Jun 19, 16:33:35
- Just wait and see. (n/m) (Other Sports) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 19, 15:51:39
- If only they could have predicted the future (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 19, 15:37:26
  - Was still reckless decision (n/m) (Other Sports) - fond, Jun 19, 15:48:02
    - An unnecessary one - if time were an issue then declare in the 2nd innings (n/m) (Other Sports) - fond, Jun 19, 16:01:41
    - Was a gamble (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 19, 15:53:09
  - If you make an unusual decision and lose a match you can't really then say (Other Sports) - megson, Jun 19, 15:40:54
  - Is it still hindsight if you thought they shouldn't declare at the time? (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 15:39:16
    - No. It means you have better cricket instincts than England's best cricketers (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 19, 15:51:26
      - GTFI (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 15:58:36
        
        Come round (n/m) (Other Sports) - Chris Peacock, Jun 19, 16:12:16
        
        jazwazball (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 19, 16:03:52
    - yes - everyone knows the decision could have gone either way (Other Sports) - paulg, Jun 19, 15:50:40
      - I don't think that fits the definition of hindsight (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 15:59:58
      - That is fair, but i'd say the stats would show that taking a wicket in those 4 overs was (Other Sports) - megson, Jun 19, 15:53:49
- or we could still be 50 runs behind (Other Sports) - ghostof barry butler, Jun 19, 15:31:46
  - You're determined to die on this hill (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 15:35:21
    - GOBB is right though, no one knows what would have happened had we not declared (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Jun 19, 15:42:27
      - Were we in a "great position" with a a lead of 7? (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 16:01:46
        
        You can't change a key moment and assume everything else would pan out the same (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Jun 19, 16:13:26
        
        You don't think we'd have added some runs? (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 16:15:58
        
        We probably would have added some runs, yes (Other Sports) - SimonOTBC, Jun 19, 16:25:20
        
        Yes, poor wicket keeping probably the biggest factor tbh (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Jun 19, 16:29:58
- bairstow's keeping even more so (n/m) (Other Sports) - paulg, Jun 19, 15:31:35
  - That one is going to rumble, and was a very tough call. (Other Sports) - megson, Jun 19, 15:35:20

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