ah, the old canard about a vote for anyone but labour is a vote for the tories.

no.

the best chance of stopping the tories in my constituency is not by voting for labour.

the chances are my vote will not make a difference (FPTP and all that shiz) but this year, more than any other it just *might*

but in all other years the choice would be the same - vote for the thing i need most to make a difference - knowing it won't make a(n immediate) difference, or don't vote at all

Posted By: Ralf Scrampton on November 20th 2019 at 12:47:44

Message Thread

To the lad who asked if he was a cunt for voting Tory (NCFC) - JimmyHoldem, Nov 20, 07:51:02
- That was me (NCFC) - yarmouthyellow, Nov 20, 13:27:48
- Well it seems a reasonable question in my view. (n/m) (NCFC) - MORDENCANARY, Nov 20, 11:39:53
- Running the country is just bantz nowadays anyway. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Nov 20, 10:48:23
- ****** Wrong Category ******** (NCFC) - Daniel the Stallion, Nov 20, 09:31:53
- But (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 08:40:23
  - Labour have a very clear and sensible policy on Brexit (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 10:35:42
  - He *does* have a policy on Brexit. I genuinely can't understand why so many struggle with (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 10:35:18
    - there is a "policy" of sorts I agree (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 10:49:50
      - If it were a referendum, what options would be presented? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 20, 13:04:04
      - Yes, some people groaned (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 10:56:54
        
        nope (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 11:08:07
      - You understand right that we'll be negotiating with the EU for the whole of 2020 (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 10:54:20
        
        you do understand that's not cutting through and that Johnson's lies about it all being (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 11:06:29
        
        Right. So what is Corbyn supposed to do then? If people don't want to hear a reasoned (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 11:21:45
        
        it's where we've always been (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 11:56:43
        
        I think he does want a form of Brexit, but what does that matter? (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 12:00:19
        
        he has not negotiated it yet. This vote in this election is a vote for it. (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 12:09:13
        
        Labour will find it easy to get a new deal (NCFC) - Old Git, Nov 20, 12:25:20
        
        that's the next part of brexit OG, the Political Declaration would cover off most of he (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 12:32:09
        
        Fair. However, Labour are giving you an option to reject brexit (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 12:36:55
        
        ah, the old canard about a vote for anyone but labour is a vote for the tories. (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 12:47:44
        
        Yes, tactical voting sites are suggesting lib dem, so I probably will (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 13:32:54
        
        Yes, I over simplified that, you're right. (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 13:28:33
        
        The key difference would be a longer transition period (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 20, 12:36:18
        
        yes, I agree, that's part of my point really (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 11:11:25
        
        Fair point, frustrating that the message that isn;t true appears to carry more weight (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 11:22:42
        
        Nothing is *the end* (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 11:15:23
        
        Yes (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 11:03:33
  - Yeah but didnt Boris say "Fuck business"? (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Nov 20, 10:04:40
    - in the context of a brexit argument (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 10:10:52
      - 'Get Brexit Done' (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 20, 10:37:54
  - Not all Tories are but Johnson is a nailed on C U Next Tiesday (NCFC) - Dracula, Nov 20, 08:53:34
    - I don't think they're ok with it all (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 09:04:04
    - Added Norn Iron pronunciation up there in memory of the coalition with the DUP (NCFC) - Dracula, Nov 20, 08:55:30
- The problem facing everyone in this election seems to me to be (NCFC) - Jim, Nov 20, 08:27:49
  - All over Europe, countries are governed by coalitions (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 10:41:55
    - Yup, which is also why we waste so much time and resource in this country basically (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 10:45:17
    - as Jim said (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 10:45:16
      - Very simple question for you (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 11:01:14
        
        not a simple question at all (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 11:08:19
        
        I've swung to PR, despite the issues that it has. (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 11:25:28
        
        Don’t forget that PR lets every minority get represented, not just nice minorities (NCFC) - Old Git, Nov 20, 12:19:32
        
        Yep, it clearly carries risks. (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 12:40:27
      - They all say they don't want a coalition (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 10:58:03
  - Anyone not wanting a hung parliament (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 20, 09:24:08
    - Yup. Lib Dem’s only agree to support Labour if Corbyn goes. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 20, 12:34:21
    - There won;t be any consensus with these parties in their current form (NCFC) - Jim, Nov 20, 10:02:39
      - Fine by me. Stalemate is a GOOD thing (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 20, 10:08:37
        
        it is not a good thing at all (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 10:15:14
    - Nail gets hit on the head. Hard. (NCFC) - Dracula, Nov 20, 10:01:47
    - VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 20, 10:00:21
    - Vmt (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Nov 20, 09:51:00
    - VMT (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 20, 09:35:06
  - it is not compulsory to vote (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 08:30:14
    - No its not, but even if it's a protest vote you should still do it. (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Nov 20, 08:54:56
      - don't tell me what to do (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 09:00:30
        
        Just do it (n/m) (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Nov 20, 09:08:32
        
        Nope (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 09:35:39
        
        Fucking hell, chill out. You don't want to vote.. fine. No right to moan then. (n/m) (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Nov 20, 09:54:12
        
        You were the one moaning (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 09:58:23
        
        Maybe have a re-read of what i have posted this morning (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Nov 20, 12:05:16
        
        there are political messageboards where likeminded halfwits with similar outputs to you (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 12:18:05
        
        And your point is? (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Nov 20, 12:25:36
        
        (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 12:26:58
    - True and listening to Dominic Raab on the radio this morning makes that option (NCFC) - Jim, Nov 20, 08:51:40
      - Says little for our society that we allow if not positively encourage (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, Nov 20, 09:23:21
- if only it was that simple (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 20, 08:00:04

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