But

People will hold their noses and vote for Boris despite his rather questionable attitude to the truth, for several reasons.
First- he does actually have a policy on brexit which seems to comprise progress and which can be spoken aloud without making people actually burst into laughter.
Second- though he seems reluctant to speak about it - he/the conservatives get the idea that a wealthy society will tend to be a better one in which to live, with better services etc. Wealth is generally speaking produced by trade/business, and yet Corbyn and McDonnell would make the country pretty unattractive as a place to do those things. Nationalizing companies, taking shares, empowering the unions, reducing the working week etc - their instincts are wrong and many people will believe they will damage the economy and harm everyone, rich or poor (though we know who tends to suffer most). They also see the Labour party's current instinct as power grabbing (for the many = for the government, see history ...).

I think more interesting is who will win Labour's civil war - will the next election be fought by a sensible centre left party or corbyn mark II. And what will be the future negotiated relationship with the EU ... that is up for grabs.

But as I say, in a field of unattractive prospects people will chose the least bad, and I reckon that will be the cons. That doesnt mean they're "c**ts". Though only a fool predicts this election ...

Posted By: paulg on November 20th 2019 at 08:40:23

Message Thread

To the lad who asked if he was a cunt for voting Tory (NCFC) - JimmyHoldem, Nov 20, 07:51:02
- That was me (NCFC) - yarmouthyellow, Nov 20, 13:27:48
- Well it seems a reasonable question in my view. (n/m) (NCFC) - MORDENCANARY, Nov 20, 11:39:53
- Running the country is just bantz nowadays anyway. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Nov 20, 10:48:23
- ****** Wrong Category ******** (NCFC) - Daniel the Stallion, Nov 20, 09:31:53
- But (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 08:40:23
  - Labour have a very clear and sensible policy on Brexit (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 10:35:42
  - He *does* have a policy on Brexit. I genuinely can't understand why so many struggle with (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 10:35:18
    - there is a "policy" of sorts I agree (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 10:49:50
      - If it were a referendum, what options would be presented? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 20, 13:04:04
      - Yes, some people groaned (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 10:56:54
        
        nope (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 11:08:07
      - You understand right that we'll be negotiating with the EU for the whole of 2020 (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 10:54:20
        
        you do understand that's not cutting through and that Johnson's lies about it all being (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 11:06:29
        
        Right. So what is Corbyn supposed to do then? If people don't want to hear a reasoned (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 11:21:45
        
        it's where we've always been (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 11:56:43
        
        I think he does want a form of Brexit, but what does that matter? (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 12:00:19
        
        he has not negotiated it yet. This vote in this election is a vote for it. (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 12:09:13
        
        Labour will find it easy to get a new deal (NCFC) - Old Git, Nov 20, 12:25:20
        
        that's the next part of brexit OG, the Political Declaration would cover off most of he (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 12:32:09
        
        Fair. However, Labour are giving you an option to reject brexit (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 12:36:55
        
        ah, the old canard about a vote for anyone but labour is a vote for the tories. (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 20, 12:47:44
        
        Yes, tactical voting sites are suggesting lib dem, so I probably will (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 13:32:54
        
        Yes, I over simplified that, you're right. (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 13:28:33
        
        The key difference would be a longer transition period (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 20, 12:36:18
        
        yes, I agree, that's part of my point really (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 11:11:25
        
        Fair point, frustrating that the message that isn;t true appears to carry more weight (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 11:22:42
        
        Nothing is *the end* (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 11:15:23
        
        Yes (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 11:03:33
  - Yeah but didnt Boris say "Fuck business"? (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Nov 20, 10:04:40
    - in the context of a brexit argument (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 10:10:52
      - 'Get Brexit Done' (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 20, 10:37:54
  - Not all Tories are but Johnson is a nailed on C U Next Tiesday (NCFC) - Dracula, Nov 20, 08:53:34
    - I don't think they're ok with it all (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 09:04:04
    - Added Norn Iron pronunciation up there in memory of the coalition with the DUP (NCFC) - Dracula, Nov 20, 08:55:30
- The problem facing everyone in this election seems to me to be (NCFC) - Jim, Nov 20, 08:27:49
  - All over Europe, countries are governed by coalitions (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 10:41:55
    - Yup, which is also why we waste so much time and resource in this country basically (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 10:45:17
    - as Jim said (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 10:45:16
      - Very simple question for you (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 11:01:14
        
        not a simple question at all (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 11:08:19
        
        I've swung to PR, despite the issues that it has. (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 11:25:28
        
        Don’t forget that PR lets every minority get represented, not just nice minorities (NCFC) - Old Git, Nov 20, 12:19:32
        
        Yep, it clearly carries risks. (NCFC) - megson, Nov 20, 12:40:27
      - They all say they don't want a coalition (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 20, 10:58:03
  - Anyone not wanting a hung parliament (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 20, 09:24:08
    - Yup. Lib Dem’s only agree to support Labour if Corbyn goes. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 20, 12:34:21
    - There won;t be any consensus with these parties in their current form (NCFC) - Jim, Nov 20, 10:02:39
      - Fine by me. Stalemate is a GOOD thing (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 20, 10:08:37
        
        it is not a good thing at all (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 20, 10:15:14
    - Nail gets hit on the head. Hard. (NCFC) - Dracula, Nov 20, 10:01:47
    - VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 20, 10:00:21
    - Vmt (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Nov 20, 09:51:00
    - VMT (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 20, 09:35:06
  - it is not compulsory to vote (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 08:30:14
    - No its not, but even if it's a protest vote you should still do it. (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Nov 20, 08:54:56
      - don't tell me what to do (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 09:00:30
        
        Just do it (n/m) (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Nov 20, 09:08:32
        
        Nope (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 09:35:39
        
        Fucking hell, chill out. You don't want to vote.. fine. No right to moan then. (n/m) (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Nov 20, 09:54:12
        
        You were the one moaning (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 09:58:23
        
        Maybe have a re-read of what i have posted this morning (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Nov 20, 12:05:16
        
        there are political messageboards where likeminded halfwits with similar outputs to you (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 12:18:05
        
        And your point is? (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Nov 20, 12:25:36
        
        (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 20, 12:26:58
    - True and listening to Dominic Raab on the radio this morning makes that option (NCFC) - Jim, Nov 20, 08:51:40
      - Says little for our society that we allow if not positively encourage (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, Nov 20, 09:23:21
- if only it was that simple (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 20, 08:00:04

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