The problem with the European Parliament is that nobody

in the UK thought it had any relevance or teeth. hence you have tended to end up with a load of crackpots, protest candidates or second rate politicians who could not get elected domestically being voted into it. I've never even voted or considered voting in a European Parliament election and I am sure many others are the same because we all believed that it was nothing more than a token institution.

Suddenly you then have something like the Brexit debate happen, people scrutinize things more carefully and the realization dawns that the likes of Junker and the European Parliament who we have all regarded as a joke and toothless actually are calling far more shots than anyone realized.

It absolutely makes my blood boil seeing Junker and Shultz touring around Europe meeting leaders and signing trade deals etc on behalf of the EU or the likes of Merkel having a "power struggle" with the European Commission because they were supposed to be civil servants putting into practice the wishes of the Council members and not driving their own federalist agenda.

I have no expectation that EU leaders will relent and negotiate with us before serving Article 50 because unfortunately I feel now that the tail is wagging the dog. We should be absolutely refusing to have any negotiations with anyone other than the Council members themselves.

Posted By: Jim on November 3rd 2016 at 14:30:12

Message Thread

Interesting times (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 3, 13:39:02
- There's an easy solution to this (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 3, 20:30:46
- I'm standing up for the A50 (General Chat) - Claygate_Canary, Nov 3, 17:01:05
  - There is no speed cameras on it (n/m) (General Chat) - colincanary, Nov 3, 17:30:04
- According to Poland......... (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Nov 3, 14:56:02
- Its clear that GB will end up with......... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 3, 14:25:40
  - since when did the united state of yank join the EU? (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 3, 14:28:35
    - Thank you Mr Dailyz Mailz (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 3, 16:33:28
- we are taking the machete of freedom to the brambles of EU regulation (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 3, 14:25:27
  - Genuine lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 3, 14:57:47
  - appalling technique there (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 3, 14:28:27
    - a masterclass by the big man (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 3, 14:29:21
      - If the grew a beard, I think Boris could make a passable Captain Birdseye. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Nov 3, 14:31:29
        
        a pair of glasses and he's Benny Hill (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 3, 14:49:21
        
        spot the difference (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 3, 14:54:37
        
        one's a clown that chases anything in a short skirt (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 3, 15:40:35
        
        not a giant leap from Birdseye to Father Christmas either (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 3, 14:34:00
        
        Valid point. Plethora of work out there for him. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Nov 3, 14:35:17
        
        Plethora, now i like my old etymology dubbs so it's quite apt that you used that (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 3, 14:59:09
        
        Dearth is the opposite I think. Words of the day. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Nov 3, 15:02:02
        
        indeed, learnt the other day what 'beyond the pale' means (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 3, 15:15:09
        
        Wouldn't that be a pail anyway? (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Nov 3, 16:39:32
        
        Panto, he'd make a great ugly sister that would keep him busy over winter as well (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 3, 14:40:17
        
        Probably do his reputation some good. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Nov 3, 14:41:04
        
        celeb BIG brother, get me out of the jungle, strictly, blankety blank, cake off (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 3, 14:45:19
        
        I'm in the EU, get me out of here. That would be quite topical. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Nov 3, 14:56:19
        
        If the? If he. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Nov 3, 14:31:51
- All i know is that (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Nov 3, 14:23:03
- I didn't think the Remain camp said was that bad (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 3, 14:15:07
  - As a political campaign it was appallingly badly run (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 3, 14:53:47
  - "campaign" not "camp said" (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 3, 14:15:31
- As i have said below i think the only way Article 50 will get served (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 3, 14:07:10
  - That's all quite reasonable, in theory. (General Chat) - APB, Nov 3, 14:14:19
    - The problem with the European Parliament is that nobody (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 3, 14:30:12
      - "The problem with the European Parliament is that nobody in the UK thought it had..." (General Chat) - megson, Nov 3, 16:41:27
        
        Yes I accept that although in fairness I don't think (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 3, 17:51:04
        
        That's because the media had/has an agenda (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 3, 19:54:43
      - Ha Ha (General Chat) - mr carra, Nov 3, 15:51:20
        
        Where did I say any of that? Make up what you want if it continues to help you (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 3, 16:23:25
      - Maybe they should have listened - I always voted. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Nov 3, 15:40:22
      - I think we're the tail that's doing the wagging. (General Chat) - APB, Nov 3, 15:39:46
      - crikey (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 3, 14:43:10
- this is something that both sides should've investigated thoroughly before the vote even (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 3, 13:58:38
  - Cameron's vote winning policy for 2015 which has cost us a hell of a lot. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Nov 3, 14:15:44
    - indeed, no wonder he resigned asap (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 3, 14:24:46
      - yes let's call another referendum tlll we get our remain way! (General Chat) - Men without hats, Nov 3, 17:21:20
        
        that's not what I'm saying at all (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 3, 18:29:38
- another solution: (General Chat) - Dave in Switzerland, Nov 3, 13:47:17
  - that would work. (n/m) (General Chat) - Men without hats, Nov 3, 17:22:20

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