I think there's a kernel of truth in some of his points, which is, however, entirely

insufficient to justify the slapping-it-on-with-a-trowel he's doing. But that's just me policing his tone. Justifiably, IMO, 'cos the tone there is trolly and deliberately provocative.

But he does make some points I agree with. And some I don't. I wish there was more nuance, and understanding of nuance. In general. Everywhere.

Posted By: Arizona Bay on August 18th 2016 at 09:56:05

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Food for thought, or maybe not, depending. (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 09:04:19
- too many words (n/m) (Other Sports) - Jumbo1, Aug 18, 12:59:17
  - Doofus. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 13:45:56
- meh (n/m) (Other Sports) - Charles21, Aug 18, 12:47:50
  - Nice. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 12:52:03
    - ha (n/m) (Other Sports) - Charles21, Aug 18, 18:05:46
- Load of crap. To me they are heroes indeed. Giving up their (Other Sports) - Tony Martin, Aug 18, 12:41:39
  - lol! you think the whole of the Guardian's coverage is that one opinion piece? (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 18, 13:12:36
    - Their coverage has been very good, I thought. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 13:48:41
      - entut though, i mean i could do without them giving me a round-up for Oz and the Merkins (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 18, 13:56:47
    - Obviously not. But yet again you like to try and troll. Well done div. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Tony Martin, Aug 18, 13:32:30
      - oh don't blub you ricockulous idiot (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 18, 13:46:04
  - They're not being negative about the sport / athletes. (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 12:51:29
  - Ps that's the article not your post I'm calling crap. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Tony Martin, Aug 18, 12:43:38
- My views would mean I'm pissed on cider (Other Sports) - pants, Aug 18, 11:48:13
  - Reasonable points of view if you ask me. (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 12:35:20
  - What about the last World Cup? Genuinely interested in why you think that was different? (Other Sports) - Adster, Aug 18, 12:02:49
  - ^^^vmt^^^ (n/m) (Other Sports) - colincanary, Aug 18, 11:54:02
  - You'd think the locals would be grateful for the Olympics (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Aug 18, 11:53:22
- I honestly just feel that GREAT Britain is the best country (Other Sports) - MIKEWALKER, Aug 18, 11:24:32
  - I think you'll find it's called xenophobia. (Other Sports) - avenging canary, Aug 18, 11:26:57
    - Had that on the Amiga 500. (n/m) (Other Sports) - MIKEWALKER, Aug 18, 11:45:06
      - Was that by the Bitmap Bros? (n/m) (Other Sports) - Bungle, Aug 18, 12:18:15
        
        course it was. they loved pixellated metal and the future. (n/m) (Other Sports) - MIKEWALKER, Aug 18, 13:40:29
      - lol (n/m) (Other Sports) - pants, Aug 18, 11:51:44
      - Ha! Good work. (n/m) (Other Sports) - avenging canary, Aug 18, 11:46:12
  - *wipes tear from eye* (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 11:26:49
- Jingoism is indeed shit. (Other Sports) - Garry Brooke, Aug 18, 10:58:48
  - True fax. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 11:04:42
- Jingoistic sports coverage has been the norm for years. It is the least of (Other Sports) - woody, Aug 18, 10:35:11
- British media. Moaning when the nation is failing at sport. Moaning when we are winning it (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Aug 18, 10:33:23
  - Jenkins was moaning about London 2012 as well. (Other Sports) - Pit, Aug 18, 11:11:01
    - Haha. The guy is clearly a major buzzkill. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Aug 18, 12:07:19
- After years and years of British sporting failure, I love that we have invested in a (Other Sports) - StraightOuttaBacton, Aug 18, 10:29:39
  - on the 10 o'clock news bit, he could've switched over to ITV (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 18, 10:53:53
  - It's great! (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 18, 10:48:26
  - Couldn't agree more! (Other Sports) - berstreetsfinest, Aug 18, 10:38:35
  - VMT (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Aug 18, 10:37:39
  - Yep, fair enough. That's what I said about the Australians. (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 10:33:49
    - I thought Luke Skywalker killed the rancour? (n/m) (Other Sports) - bird table, Aug 18, 10:52:26
    - Thought I read the other day... (Other Sports) - mr carra, Aug 18, 10:41:14
      - It certainly will be copied if it hasn't yet been. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 11:05:52
      - their lottery company sponsors one of their pro cycling teams (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 18, 10:56:08
    - You rancour. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Yellalee, Aug 18, 10:38:14
      - Ha ha. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 11:05:06
  - Great points! (n/m) (Other Sports) - avenging canary, Aug 18, 10:30:31
- Moot article for me. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Pit, Aug 18, 10:27:46
- The French vaulter may have had a point? (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 18, 10:27:24
  - Flippant comment. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 10:31:03
- I like the guardian but I disagree with a lot in that article. (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 18, 10:09:08
  - Olympic success clearly does vindicate Brexit. (Other Sports) - Arizona Bay, Aug 18, 10:44:13
    - Ha ha! (n/m) (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 18, 10:48:38
  - Wiggo pulled a face, dunno if anyone complained. He could get away with what Daley Thompso (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 18, 10:28:43
  - You could regard the lottery as a kind of voluntary tax (I know that's nonsense). (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 10:28:28
    - Our olympians had years of pathetic under-funding. And yet we still had (Other Sports) - Pit, Aug 18, 10:31:51
      - If it promotes interest in taking part and not just watching. (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 10:42:26
        
        Running and Cycling are fairly accessible. And Athletics I would have thought. (Other Sports) - Pit, Aug 18, 10:47:36
        
        Didn't Sir Steve go to a comprehensive where they offered rowing as part of the pe (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 18, 10:52:44
        
        Also, you *could* say there's a fine line between talent spotting and ... (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 11:32:49
        
        As you know, there are comprehensives and comprehensives. (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 11:08:16
        
        Gymnastics as well, my 5 year old will be starting that soon based on the limpics (n/m) (Other Sports) - megson, Aug 18, 10:51:36
        
        I really want my 8 year old to join a Gymnastics club but he's not keen (n/m) (Other Sports) - strap_on sally, Aug 18, 11:22:58
  - This was pretty awesome... (Other Sports) - woody, Aug 18, 10:12:32
    - Peter Norman is one of my all-time heroes. (Other Sports) - avenging canary, Aug 18, 10:27:10
      - i posted this link a little while ago, but seems a good time for a repost :-) (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 18, 10:50:22
        
        Lovely. Beautiful picture of Smith and Carlos at Peter Norman's funeral. (Other Sports) - avenging canary, Aug 18, 11:10:37
        
        I read that then too, very interesting article (n/m) (Other Sports) - megson, Aug 18, 11:02:39
        
        I read that at the time - thank you for posting (n/m) (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 18, 10:54:20
        
        No probs. (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 18, 11:05:49
      - I see the glove bit is in the link... (n/m) (Other Sports) - avenging canary, Aug 18, 10:29:09
      - Yeah. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 10:28:56
    - Wasn't it just? I love the fact that the Aussie also wore a badge in solidarity. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 18, 10:17:20
- It seems very mean-spirited to me. Why shouldn't we celebrate and indulge success? (Other Sports) - avenging canary, Aug 18, 10:05:34
  - I don't think that's what he's saying. (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 10:11:12
    - but isn't that just South American culture though? (Other Sports) - mr carra, Aug 18, 10:35:48
    - I don't think investment and well planned training/research programmes (Other Sports) - avenging canary, Aug 18, 10:18:50
- I think there's a kernel of truth in some of his points, which is, however, entirely (Other Sports) - Arizona Bay, Aug 18, 09:56:05
  - ^^^ this is what i was thinking when i read it last night too (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 18, 10:11:55
    - Sir Lolzalot (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 10:44:26
    - Arf! (n/m) (Other Sports) - yellowman, Aug 18, 10:21:44
  - Indeed. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 09:57:00
- The most expensive smoke and mirrors show in the world. (n/m) (Other Sports) - yellowman, Aug 18, 09:49:33
- There may be an element of "distract the plebs" about this (Other Sports) - Bungle, Aug 18, 09:38:35
  - I don't think Cavendish' crash was deliberate, though. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 09:44:38
    - and the reaction of the Danish bronze meadlist was 'shit happens' so probably not surprisi (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 18, 10:18:38
    - He's a world class crash causer, that lad (n/m) (Other Sports) - MIKEWALKER, Aug 18, 09:52:44
  - No, it's not wrong to have success. The article is also wrong (a little) on Major. (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 09:43:35
- As far as doping goes, i wouldn't rule anyone out, and I mean anyone, (Other Sports) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 18, 09:33:53
  - Possibly so. I do actually believe the British team are quite clean. (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 09:40:01
- Not read the article yet but your comments re the national anthem: Remember Daley (Other Sports) - Adster, Aug 18, 09:25:03
  - I thought it was funny/cool. (n/m) (Other Sports) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 18, 09:34:45
  - Vaguely. I think as a kid I never bothered watching the ceremony, just the sport. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 09:31:48
    - Imagine if this happened today... (Other Sports) - Adster, Aug 18, 09:49:30
      - Ha ha. And he quotes Derek and Clive. (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 09:54:45
        
        I never knew any of this, he's now jumped above Dave Phillips in my heroes pantheon (n/m) (Other Sports) - MIKEWALKER, Aug 18, 09:55:49
        
        Praise indeed. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 10:00:46
- Overall GB medal haul table (Other Sports) - Jester, Aug 18, 09:22:35
  - yes. (n/m) (Other Sports) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 18, 09:35:10
  - I don't think they should get an honour until their sporting career is over. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 09:29:51
    - Agree. Even then only in exceptional circumstances. (n/m) (Other Sports) - avenging canary, Aug 18, 09:59:26
    - thats a fair comment (n/m) (Other Sports) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 18, 09:30:33
  - Vmt (Other Sports) - CauldRon, Aug 18, 09:25:52
    - honours are given for many reasons (Other Sports) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 18, 09:29:06
- Surely that arguement only really works if what we are doing is unique? (Other Sports) - megson, Aug 18, 09:16:45
  - I know. I wasn't necessarily agreeing with the article. (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 09:29:09
    - I think AB has it right up there when he talks about nuance ^^^^ (Other Sports) - megson, Aug 18, 10:50:31
    - The comments are all "Guardian hates us being successful". (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 09:37:41
- And the Daily Mail this morning (Other Sports) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 18, 09:16:35
  - Ah, the inevitable 'Daily Mail' link from your good self... (n/m) (Other Sports) - avenging canary, Aug 18, 10:31:48
- Ah, the Guardian's pet troll is at it again (n/m) (Other Sports) - Basil Wrathbone, Aug 18, 09:09:38
  - ? (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Aug 18, 09:12:19

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