I think the nature of cheating or gamesmanship has probably changed.

Not a huge amount, but it's a bit more sly than before, which is probably not a little to do with camera coverage and the ubiquity of football. Souness has a past, which when he blames other cultures, he is notably ignoring. That does make him come over as slightly hypocritical, and blaming other nationalities and cultures is fairly bigoted and represents a rather ignorant way of looking at society. But then, he's a footballer, not a philosopher or sociologist and therefore maybe doesn't put the amount of thought into his words as he could. Unfortunately he has a very large audience who also don't think that widely and as a result take the "foreigner = cheat" line as legit. I don't think he's a racist, but his way of expressing himself isn't the least bigoted in the world...

Posted By: APB on March 12th 2015 at 08:55:00

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Graeme Souness shows the world the 'British way' (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 03:09:23
- Gamesmanship was invented by Leeds in the 70's. (n/m) (Other Football) - col canary, Mar 12, 08:51:16
- Disagree. Different game now and in those days people only stayed down when hurt (n/m) (Other Football) - Hulk Rules, Mar 12, 08:13:31
  - Which is all i think (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 08:24:04
    - It does when, without evidence, he darkly blames this change from the good old days (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:26:03
      - So... (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 08:33:29
        
        Isn't the reasoning a bit racist? (Other Football) - APB, Mar 12, 08:38:48
        
        Nope..... (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 08:48:43
        
        He wasn't anywhere near as careful in his words as you just were. (Other Football) - APB, Mar 12, 08:59:15
        
        That's right. Not only that, but the only reason we're cheating now is (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:40:11
        
        do you disagree with him when he says that (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Mar 12, 08:43:54
        
        I think the nature of cheating or gamesmanship has probably changed. (Other Football) - APB, Mar 12, 08:55:00
        
        yeah, I thought it was a bit of a clumsy and generalised phrase that he used (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Mar 12, 09:05:18
        
        And to take just one example from the distant past (and you're dead right about cameras) (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 09:08:54
        
        Were you there? (Other Football) - norway, Mar 12, 09:38:07
        
        England committed 33 fouls in that match. Argentina committed 19. (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 09:55:38
        
        Then he sulked and sat on the Queen's red carpet. (Other Football) - Garry Brooke, Mar 12, 10:20:30
        
        So, the foul count is your argument. Fouls. (Other Football) - norway, Mar 12, 10:18:34
        
        Joined the dots. (n/m) (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Mar 12, 09:48:02
        
        Clearly. (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Mar 12, 09:50:49
        
        I do disagree, yes. English players have been diving for decades (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:49:34
        
        I agree with you regarding diving and gamesmanship (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Mar 12, 09:10:32
        
        The past is a different country... (Other Football) - APB, Mar 12, 09:13:30
        
        [or foreign country, even] (n/m) (Other Football) - APB, Mar 12, 09:15:06
        
        Did Souness make Serie A more dirty with his 'British ways'? (n/m) (Other Football) - Garry Brooke, Mar 12, 09:19:56
        
        Yes. No. Maybe. I don't know, I wasn't paying attention. (n/m) (Other Football) - APB, Mar 12, 09:23:30
        
        I was being disingenuous. (Other Football) - Garry Brooke, Mar 12, 09:26:48
        
        I gathered that. (n/m) (Other Football) - APB, Mar 12, 09:28:48
        
        I thought you probably had. (Other Football) - Garry Brooke, Mar 12, 09:30:01
        
        It's just the extremes I'm talking about here, that's all. The extent of the hyperbole and (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 09:13:16
- Souness is a hypocrite because he criticises cheating and gamesmanship (Other Football) - norway, Mar 12, 07:42:43
  - In the very first clip I link to, he commits a psychotic challenge (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 07:56:25
    - so really, your issue is with pundits in general (Other Football) - norway, Mar 12, 07:59:52
      - If they have a colourful past, they're welcome to be pundits. But not hypocrites. (n/m) (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:01:42
        
        So there are some things they can say (Other Football) - norway, Mar 12, 08:05:28
        
        You may have noticed Henry spectacularly failing to get involved in a debate about (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:09:04
        
        Because he's a spectacularly dull pundit. (Other Football) - norway, Mar 12, 08:10:16
        
        Because he's not a hypocrite. (n/m) (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:10:52
        
        Right. lol. (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Mar 12, 08:11:46
        
        Think you're missing a rather basic point (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 08:04:13
        
        Souness bemoaned the damage done to "Liverpool's good name" when Suarez bit Ivanovic (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:07:52
        
        Of course..... (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 08:10:01
        
        Not in his hyperbole he didn't. And by the way, on namby pamby diving (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:13:38
        
        So the disagreement here is actually.... (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 08:30:04
        
        Yes it is, because of who he blamed. (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:35:23
        
        Ffs! (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 08:42:34
        
        It's VERY racist. And 'informed opinions' don't make it any less so (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:44:52
        
        You're determined to label souness a racist arent you. (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 08:52:41
        
        All credit to him for what he did at Rangers. Was very brave and incredibly overdue (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:59:38
        
        so... (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 09:11:58
        
        Ron Atkinson did more for black players breaking through in English football than almost (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 09:15:56
        
        the difference is.... (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 09:31:24
        
        He mentioned a specific race of people man! "Latins". (n/m) (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 09:33:02
        
        Latin Americans are not a 'race', specific or otherwise (n/m) (Other Football) - CWC, Mar 12, 11:18:33
        
        crikey.... (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 10:12:01
- Bit harsh (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 07:32:22
  - less cheating and complaining? righto. (Other Football) - megson, Mar 12, 07:42:30
    - Errrm, i'm not disagreeing.... (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 08:00:48
    - Everything is cheating Meggers (Other Football) - norway, Mar 12, 07:57:09
      - I agree (this can't be right...) (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:01:12
        
        Agree with your summary there (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 08:06:06
        
        Yes. Why? How can 1 form of grotesque cheating get the thumbs up, another the thumbs down? (n/m) (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:10:21
        
        Because..... (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 12, 08:25:37
        
        ... (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Mar 12, 08:27:17
- Clearly this post I referring to at least one other - can someone link me up please (n/m) (Other Football) - Dandy Highburyman, Mar 12, 07:13:12
  - Thanks all (n/m) (Other Football) - Dandy Highburyman, Mar 12, 13:32:26
- ^^^^vmt^^^^ (n/m) (Other Football) - colincanary, Mar 12, 06:18:35

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