they have indeed filled paragraph after paragraph
unfortunately those paragraphs are all exactly the same i.e. making the anti-Hughton argument and that alone as though it was a matter of fact. What I have never seen is any hint that they have even considered any other possible reasons for our plight or our approach, or the possibility that we might be worse off if we had doen things differently. It's like a religious dogma, where they see everything in terms of what you want to see.
Their argument is there to made, as are all arguments, but all I see is 'we play defensive football therefore Hughton is to blame for all our problems' as though it was an unarguable fact.
But it is a very arguable fact because there are a lot of factors involved and nobody (certainly not me) really knows the answer. So lets stop pretending we do.
Posted By: mr carra on May 7th 2013 at 13:18:24
Message Thread
- Loving the early mutterings of, 'even if we stay up I'm not happy' (NCFC) - pants, May 7, 12:10:08
- You've been a bit quiet these last few days pants..... (NCFC) - South stand corner, May 7, 12:34:35
- Despite having a stress fracture, I hobbled to the yeah yeah yeahs (NCFC) - pants, May 7, 13:41:37
- Fair play to pants also (NCFC) - duke of york, May 7, 13:43:19
- I'm still here (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, May 7, 14:59:14
- and me... (n/m) (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, May 7, 15:16:14
- Well I appear to have pissed him off. I'm sorry if that's the case (NCFC) - pants, May 7, 13:49:33
- You haven't infuriated me (NCFC) - duke of york, May 7, 13:53:05
- I'm still here (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, May 7, 14:59:14
- Fair play to pants also (NCFC) - duke of york, May 7, 13:43:19
- Spect he saw the Wrath was populated by (NCFC) - CB41, May 7, 12:58:04
- Nice one (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, May 7, 13:00:48
- A lot weren't. A lot were down right nasty. It's totally unnesseccary (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, May 7, 13:04:22
- The whole I was right/you were wrong thing (NCFC) - duke of york, May 7, 13:06:35
- Spose but it's unpleasant and is probably the reason why quite a lot of posters stayed off (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, May 7, 13:08:42
- The whole I was right/you were wrong thing (NCFC) - duke of york, May 7, 13:06:35
- A lot weren't. A lot were down right nasty. It's totally unnesseccary (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, May 7, 13:04:22
- Nice one (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, May 7, 13:00:48
- Despite having a stress fracture, I hobbled to the yeah yeah yeahs (NCFC) - pants, May 7, 13:41:37
- It will be brilliant if we do stay up. (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 12:27:33
- some here appear to be evolving into Wolves fans (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 7, 12:18:20
- yeah, people who don't rate Hoot's tactical genius must be ideots or scummers (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 12:28:16
- certainly not idiots (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 12:44:18
- But that's just utter nonsense (NCFC) - norway, May 7, 12:59:10
- they have indeed filled paragraph after paragraph (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:18:24
- To repeat (NCFC) - norway, May 7, 13:28:13
- give me a link to such a 'reasoned' post then (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:42:51
- tbf the huge majority ARE (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 7, 13:37:36
- People have put forward *far* more in depth reasons than (NCFC) - duke of york, May 7, 13:25:27
- not you obviously (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:29:40
- Well that's just picking a fight. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 7, 13:30:42
- no, I'm not (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:35:38
- ^^^Now regrets this comment^^^ (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, May 7, 18:18:13
- Your point is, Hoot's negative tactics may be getting the best points we can manage (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 13:59:59
- isn't adding more strikers a general managerial recation to being behind? (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 14:06:30
- yes exactly. That is the only in-game tactical change I have seen from Hoot all season (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 14:07:51
- isn't adding more strikers a general managerial recation to being behind? (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 14:06:30
- Incredible isn't it? (NCFC) - duke of york, May 7, 13:32:05
- no, I'm not (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:35:38
- Loads, yes, one or two today if you can be bothered to look (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, May 7, 13:30:32
- Well that's just picking a fight. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 7, 13:30:42
- not you obviously (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:29:40
- Good balanced post. I admire your patience! (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 7, 13:25:08
- I am sorry, but that home game to Newcastle where we settled for a point (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 13:22:11
- did we settle for a point? (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:32:30
- If you cannot see Hoot's negative approach both in initial tactics (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 13:57:34
- I have stated quite clearly that I think our tactics are defensive (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 14:03:33
- If you cannot see Hoot's negative approach both in initial tactics (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 13:57:34
- did we settle for a point? (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:32:30
- To repeat (NCFC) - norway, May 7, 13:28:13
- they have indeed filled paragraph after paragraph (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:18:24
- mutterings and concerns about crap tactics, poor subs started as far back as QPR at home. (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 12:52:13
- so what? (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 12:56:25
- Worse than the negative tactics and outlook. Is the play for a draw attitude. (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 13:00:09
- West ham was even more of a shocker (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 7, 12:53:58
- so what? (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 12:56:25
- Totally, what ^^^ he says. (NCFC) - Mozzer, May 7, 12:48:37
- And that's why we'll go down (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 7, 12:49:42
- I haven't seen us give up (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 12:53:40
- we don't score.... We looked ok against a Villa side with a dreadful defence (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 12:55:48
- because our attacking players are to be honest poor by Prem standards (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 12:58:02
- They did fine last season. Hoot plays a defensive game (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 13:06:05
- history is littered with players who have had one exceptional Prem season (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:09:57
- Holt has had far far less shots on goal this season to last (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 13:12:39
- history is littered with players who have had one exceptional Prem season (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:09:57
- They did fine last season. Hoot plays a defensive game (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 13:06:05
- because our attacking players are to be honest poor by Prem standards (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 12:58:02
- The effort is there (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 7, 12:54:53
- we don't score.... We looked ok against a Villa side with a dreadful defence (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 12:55:48
- why? because I have (NCFC) - Mozzer, May 7, 12:51:19
- No because you've settled for mediocrity (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 7, 12:53:25
- I have no settled for mediocrity - haven't (NCFC) - Mozzer, May 7, 13:39:16
- no-one has settled for mediocrity (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:06:26
- Progress? Better players, less possession worse passing (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 13:10:15
- funny the people whingeing about not going back to the unbeaten run team (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:27:40
- He could have played the unbeaton run side. He chose not to. (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 14:11:47
- how many times has he had the chance to? (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 14:15:23
- Aside from Ruddy, plenty. In fact Whittaker was an integral part of that side (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 14:34:17
- I am a bit surprised Whittaker hasn't been back earlier (he started at arsenal) (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 14:54:06
- Aside from Ruddy, plenty. In fact Whittaker was an integral part of that side (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 14:34:17
- how many times has he had the chance to? (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 14:15:23
- He could have played the unbeaton run side. He chose not to. (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 14:11:47
- funny the people whingeing about not going back to the unbeaten run team (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:27:40
- I have, I always do - it's much less hard work (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, May 7, 13:10:07
- Progress? Better players, less possession worse passing (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 13:10:15
- No because you've settled for mediocrity (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 7, 12:53:25
- I haven't seen us give up (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 12:53:40
- And that's why we'll go down (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 7, 12:49:42
- Excuses (NCFC) - SCC 28, May 7, 12:47:52
- Quite a few of us have given failry detailed arguments (NCFC) - duke of york, May 7, 12:47:03
- recently i have seen posts blaming our relegation on referees... embarrassing (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 12:53:10
- I haven't seen anyone blaming our possible relegation entirely on referees (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:57:21
- There is a whole thread on the pinkun about it started by Chicken (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 14:00:35
- Oh, I don't go on there. (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 14:13:10
- There is a whole thread on the pinkun about it started by Chicken (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 14:00:35
- We haven't been relegated - hth (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, May 7, 13:10:40
- I haven't seen anyone blaming our possible relegation entirely on referees (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 13:57:21
- recently i have seen posts blaming our relegation on referees... embarrassing (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 12:53:10
- I 100% agree. Sums up my thoughts pretty much spot on (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 7, 12:45:50
- But that's just utter nonsense (NCFC) - norway, May 7, 12:59:10
- I dont agree (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 7, 12:41:21
- certainly not idiots (NCFC) - mr carra, May 7, 12:44:18
- yeah, people who don't rate Hoot's tactical genius must be ideots or scummers (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 7, 12:28:16
- If we stay up ill be fucking ecstatic (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, May 7, 12:18:10
- You've been a bit quiet these last few days pants..... (NCFC) - South stand corner, May 7, 12:34:35
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