I'd have a completely different view on today

If we hadn't already spent just about every game this season playing at least 10 yards deeper than last season, leaving us devoid of attacking threat. Will this work in the bread and butter games v bottom half sides we need to win if we're to stay up? No, I'm afraid it won't.

I don't think we won because we "executed our gameplan perfectly". I think we won because Arsenal didn't turn up. Beyond that, all season long on here and amongst the fanbase, there'll be a philosophical debate: is going defensive more likely to keep us up than doing it by playing attacking football and scoring goals?

My view of tonight is based on the strongly held belief that it isn't.

Posted By: thebigfeller on October 20th 2012 at 22:51:03

Message Thread

Genuinely baffled at the euphoria on here (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:21:31
- he will drive Holt out of this club with his dull football (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 5, 15:21:36
- ... (NCFC) - BorisJohnson, Oct 20, 23:28:28
- Yeah no big deal. Only beat Arsenal and stopped them playing. Ffs (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Man, Oct 20, 23:03:03
- I thought that read 'lack' of euphoria (NCFC) - Kangol Canary, Oct 20, 22:59:18
- just listened to holt on talk sport, hoots is going to play (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Oct 20, 22:45:44
- OK, here goes (NCFC) - duke of york, Oct 20, 22:44:18
  - I'd have a completely different view on today (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:51:03
    - Oh Arsenal turned up alright. (NCFC) - Arganth, Oct 20, 22:59:21
      - The only save of note I remember Ruddy having to make was the one 5 mins from the end. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Oct 20, 23:00:34
    - We didn't drop too deep today (NCFC) - duke of york, Oct 20, 22:57:04
      - Did you think we played well against QPR or West Ham? (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:59:15
        
        We should have won both (NCFC) - duke of york, Oct 20, 23:00:34
        
        It's taken a few games, and a few hidings, but we've learnt. (NCFC) - mr chimp, Oct 20, 23:05:07
        
        Yep. Jonno, Wes, Holt, Tettey gave them no peace all game. Naturally we fell back from (NCFC) - Yellalee, Oct 20, 23:03:19
        
        Agree totally. (NCFC) - Arganth, Oct 20, 23:09:43
    - At least if we do go down... (NCFC) - mr chimp, Oct 20, 22:55:25
      - I'm not interested in that. I want the club to stay up and push on (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:56:53
        
        Bollocks. (NCFC) - mr chimp, Oct 20, 23:02:15
        
        I'd have gone for either Poyet or Curbishley, and said so at the time (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 23:05:45
        
        Poyet would have us kicking lumps out of the opposition and Curbishley... (NCFC) - mr chimp, Oct 20, 23:08:32
        
        Curbishley (NCFC) - lurd, Oct 20, 23:08:26
        
        curbs hasn't worked for what 3 years? (n/m) (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Oct 20, 23:07:49
        
        Over four years, and counting... (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Oct 20, 23:09:46
        
        I know he's not. I'm baffled as to why. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 23:09:37
        
        He's a dinosaur enjoying his pay off. This seems like a deliberate wind up, to be honest. (n/m) (NCFC) - mr chimp, Oct 20, 23:16:02
        
        George Graham's a dinosaur. Kenny Dalglish is a dinosaur. Graeme Souness is a dinosaur. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 23:21:15
        
        A footballing dinosaur, old in the cold by choice. (NCFC) - mr chimp, Oct 20, 23:24:42
        
        He spent about 50 billion at West Ham (NCFC) - lurd, Oct 20, 23:24:22
        
        Literally no-one agrees with you (NCFC) - duke of york, Oct 20, 23:07:24
        
        :) (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 23:08:53
        
        reading the accounts today i don't care how we do it but we must stay up this season (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Oct 20, 23:00:22
        
        ^^Desperate to be proved right^^ (NCFC) - duke of york, Oct 20, 22:58:27
        
        Desperate to be proved wrong, actually. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 23:00:35
    - What would your gameplan against Arsenal be then? (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Oct 20, 22:53:54
  - agree with most of that (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:47:54
- I have seen some shit posts on this messageboard but you get the gold medal, Selwyn makes (NCFC) - Malkybarneedledick, Oct 20, 22:37:29
  - It's a troll. Didn't go to the game and doesn't really care about what actually happened (n/m) (NCFC) - Higher Wrather, Oct 20, 22:51:04
    - oh, what a saddo. (n/m) (NCFC) - Malkybarneedledick, Oct 20, 22:55:37
- What happened to make your posting go so shit? (n/m) (NCFC) - mr chimp, Oct 20, 22:35:27
- What an absolute twat you must be. (NCFC) - lurd, Oct 20, 22:33:44
  - The Spurs side we beat last season - on our travels - was better than this Arsenal side (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:37:08
    - Spurs were on a terrible run of about 1 win in 10 when we beat them. (NCFC) - lurd, Oct 20, 22:41:03
      - Spot on. (n/m) (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:43:27
        
        I'm seething tbf. (NCFC) - lurd, Oct 20, 22:45:44
        
        Yeah, utterly bizarre post... (n/m) (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:47:35
    - We could have won by 2 or 3 today. Classic counter attacking strategy. (NCFC) - mr chimp, Oct 20, 22:39:00
- Er, righto (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Oct 20, 22:30:56
- party pooper ^^^^^ (n/m) (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Oct 20, 22:30:00
- Whet does possession mean? (NCFC) - ingi, Oct 20, 22:29:07
  - agree Swansea loved possession last season but we doubled them easy by being the better (NCFC) - Malkybarneedledick, Oct 20, 22:30:43
- This is a joke right, If Arseoles had 72% possession I would be amazed, If they did (NCFC) - Malkybarneedledick, Oct 20, 22:28:42
  - i don't care if they had 99.9999% its 3 lovely points (n/m) (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Oct 20, 22:31:37
    - and we were by far the better team unless I missed something. (n/m) (NCFC) - Malkybarneedledick, Oct 20, 22:32:43
  - Possession counts for nothing (NCFC) - ingi, Oct 20, 22:31:28
- Mate.... We needed that today... It's a relief... We feel more as one...can you not (NCFC) - Steeno Steeno, Oct 20, 22:27:33
- You really think we are going to compete in a pass off with Arsenal? (n/m) (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:27:01
  - We did. In the last match we played against them! (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:27:35
    - Yeah last season and a poorer team... (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:28:59
      - How are they a better team than last season? (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:30:24
        
        The team that got thumped 8-2 at Man United? (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:32:43
        
        man u got thumped at home to man city (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:34:29
        
        Go and troll elsewhere... (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:37:11
        
        lol your point about the 8-2 was terrible (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:41:38
        
        Go and troll elsewhere... (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:42:31
        
        lol you started it with the 8-2! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:45:22
        
        Go and troll elsewhere... (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:45:46
        
        great argument! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:49:37
        
        So what if they lost one freak game 8-2? (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:34:08
        
        Seriously, are you drunk? (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:36:49
        
        We'll see if it's horseshit over the rest of the season. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:38:15
      - they had RVP (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:29:38
- ARSENAL not Wigan, Southampton, QPR (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Oct 20, 22:26:54
- Thought we were awesome today, we did beat Arsenal.... (n/m) (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, Oct 20, 22:26:46
- Fuck off Lawro! (n/m) (NCFC) - Silver Fox, Oct 20, 22:26:26
- Arsenal will pass the bollocks out of most teams, but we won (NCFC) - RootunTootunHootun, Oct 20, 22:26:05
  - 13 (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:27:14
    - on target? (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Oct 20, 22:31:42
      - 7 (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:33:08
        
        Mostly easy saves (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Oct 20, 22:34:57
        
        Can't even remember 3 if I am honest and I haven't even been drinking! (NCFC) - RootunTootunHootun, Oct 20, 22:34:47
    - Can't remember many where I actually thought they were going to score (NCFC) - RootunTootunHootun, Oct 20, 22:30:47
- Haha - very good (NCFC) - Higher Wrather, Oct 20, 22:25:45
  - Funny thing is, those possession stats are the ones at half time (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Oct 20, 22:27:26
  - There's no trolling going on here. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:27:01
    - The fine margins between success and failure, if the shots that hit the woodwork against (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, Oct 20, 22:31:15
    - hopefully we'll get fucking well stuffed by villa (NCFC) - Tombs, Oct 20, 22:29:32
- BBC have it @62/38 (n/m) (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Oct 20, 22:25:15
  - The BBC's possession stats are notoriously unreliable. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:29:00
    - You take the judgement of Sky and/or Fox over the BBC? I've now heard enough to judge your (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Oct 20, 22:50:31
      - A few seasons back, the BBC thought about a 60-40 Edinburgh derby (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:53:34
        
        You give one example - from a few years back - which is also unprovable to the contrary - (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Oct 20, 22:59:19
        
        And yes, I do favour the stats of the station ACTUALLY COVERING THE GAME too (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:53:58
        
        ESPN? (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Oct 20, 23:01:02
        
        FOX' sports coverage is bloody brilliant actually. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 23:02:54
        
        ESPN's sports coverage, especially tonight, is bloody awful. (NCFC) - Arganth, Oct 20, 23:12:36
        
        Couldn't agree more about ESPN. The difference between them and FOX is enormous. (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 23:17:19
        
        The Daily Mail might be good for sport but I ain't gonna read it for all the shite they (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Oct 20, 23:07:25
- Clear cut chances what 4-2 in our favour... Do one (n/m) (NCFC) - Taxi 4 Johnson, Oct 20, 22:24:33
- some valid points there (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:24:31
- I felt like this when we beat Bayern too (NCFC) - pants, Oct 20, 22:23:39
  - Wow... (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:24:06
    - ha ha (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Oct 20, 22:25:22
      - Sorry.. (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:25:54
- Oh FFS, give it a rest (NCFC) - Klobo04, Oct 20, 22:23:20
  - Tell you when I was pleased. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 20, 22:25:34
    - I haven't looked - where are Villa in the PL now? Must be challenging for Europe surely (n/m) (NCFC) - Higher Wrather, Oct 20, 22:28:56
    - A win is a fuckin' win. It wasnt pretty but it was what was needed (NCFC) - Klobo04, Oct 20, 22:28:54
      - Fuck off (NCFC) - Higher Wrather, Oct 20, 22:32:06
        
        not sure we outplayed them tbh (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:37:22
        
        We outplayed them, in the only sense that matters. We had more good chances and rarely (NCFC) - Higher Wrather, Oct 20, 22:46:23
        
        yep tactically superior (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:50:59
        
        Thanks (n/m) (NCFC) - POA, Oct 20, 22:50:12
      - aye couldn't have asked for much more today (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 20, 22:30:51

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