Ok before any bickering begins

let's make it clear. There are now plenty of people on here who believe we made a pretty dreadful mistake in appointing an untried manager. And while almost everybody who posts on here really is City through and through some are more patient or understanding than others.

But what is the point of patience and understanding when it is so clear that things are just not going to get better. As someone said today 'Getting rid of Grant now will be less expensive than relegation'.

And before there are hysterical cries of 'We're too good to go down' let's get something straight: We certainly are not too good to go down. We are very, very (and I mean really) poor.

Our best player for the last few years (Hucks) is clearly very unimpressed, it seems the manager has lost the dressing room (as well as two of the few people who can even try to play centre back for the next 2/3 games because of suspension), we are now losing discipline as well as everything else, we apparently can't attract decent new players, our away form is arguably worse than ever (in the past at least we occasionally had a shot away from home!), and our manager talks crap.

Ok so he 'calls it as it is' (embarrassing, unacceptable etc) but he isn't able to do anything about it. the signs are that the players really don't like him.

We must act now as a club and get in somebody experienced. (Martin Allen was my own favourite this time last year and I still believe he'd do a good job, but I'd even accept Joe Royle).

After today's truly embarrassing performance (it's not just the result but the manner of it) even the patient ones have to start to worry. Are the board big/sensible enough to admit a serious error of judgement last October? surely if they are successful business people they will see the need to halt the decline.

Posted By: BillySteele, Sep 22, 21:34:37