Not neccessarily. That only tends to happen with youngsters. Most older players

who go on loan are either crap and go back to the reserves, or do well and are sold. Not many of them go back and suddenly become a starter.

Crouch (whilst not old but not a youngster) was a rare exception.

Posted By: Steve in Holland on November 8th 2007 at 10:08:55

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Back to Roeder's blub about WAGs... (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 09:56:13
- balls. the players get paid enough to sort their familes out (n/m) (Other Football) - shoddy, Nov 8, 10:37:59
  - It's not only about money is it ? (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:40:11
- I thought it was the other way round in most cases (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Nov 8, 10:12:37
  - What do you mean ? (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:14:46
    - In that football clubs practically force women onto players and encourage (Other Football) - pants, Nov 8, 10:20:30
      - Hmm. You've got a seriously good point here, I'd say (n/m) (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Nov 8, 10:23:24
      - God, I don't know about that! (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:22:44
        
        I'd have to do be of looking around, but it was on the theme before the wag thing (Other Football) - pants, Nov 8, 10:36:48
        
        *toe* (n/m) (Other Football) - mike_the_sphinx, Nov 8, 10:42:24
        
        Hans Neezanto (Other Football) - pants, Nov 8, 10:50:00
        
        .... (Other Football) - mike_the_sphinx, Nov 8, 10:56:25
        
        I think it also has to do with the company they keep, not only (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:38:50
        
        True. To me it's a complex subject and it kind of looks like (Other Football) - pants, Nov 8, 10:49:00
        
        Pot. Kettle. (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 10:27:39
        
        Good arrows (n/m) (Other Football) - Brom, Nov 8, 10:28:50
        
        No, I don't believe I am generalising. (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:37:17
- Quite right. I got offered the whole "We'll help you find a place to live and help (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Nov 8, 10:02:17
- yes but steve these guys are not moving abroad (Other Football) - megson, Nov 8, 10:02:13
  - I'm not only talking about moving abroad. Also within the country. (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:02:39
    - temporary though innit. (Other Football) - megson, Nov 8, 10:07:02
      - Not neccessarily. That only tends to happen with youngsters. Most older players (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:08:55
        
        so then you consider the problems of staying if it happens (Other Football) - megson, Nov 8, 10:12:30
    - Yes. ^^^^^ (n/m) (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Nov 8, 10:06:30
- A permanent move Steve (Other Football) - mike_the_sphinx, Nov 8, 10:01:35
- You're forgetting (Other Football) - duke of york, Nov 8, 10:00:53
  - well to a degree yes (Other Football) - megson, Nov 8, 10:06:30
    - It's not all one-way ! The footballer has also entered into a life with (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:12:03
      - Lucky bastard - three nights to do what you like with! (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Nov 8, 10:16:45
        
        watch dutch 'movies' i should think (Other Football) - megson, Nov 8, 11:35:54
        
        Actually it works out quite well with the coaching :-) (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:17:27
        
        Not quite what I was thinking... (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Nov 8, 10:18:26
        
        No, but that's not allowed :-( (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:19:12
      - sounds good. (Other Football) - megson, Nov 8, 10:14:02
        
        Well we don't know, do we. That's my problem with Roeder's outburst. He is (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:15:44
        
        yes, that is the danger, and so am I (Other Football) - megson, Nov 8, 10:19:15
        
        What alarms me is if it suggests he's already making excuses and running out of ideas (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Nov 8, 10:18:14
    - I agree (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Nov 8, 10:11:11
    - Yep - and anyway (Other Football) - duke of york, Nov 8, 10:08:28
      - Whatever. (Other Football) - megson, Nov 8, 10:18:32
        
        I was joking (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Nov 8, 10:20:12
        
        lol fair enough (Other Football) - megson, Nov 8, 11:33:30
  - exactly (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:01:43
- This is all true, and I broadly agree... (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Nov 8, 09:59:55
  - How have they shown that ? From Iwan's book, Delia just invites them for dinner now and (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:02:10
    - Seems like they did a great job with Huckerby (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Nov 8, 10:03:04
      - Well if you think we've paid that much attention, then why is Roeder upset ? (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:04:22
        
        He's upset at players preferring to sit in the reserves but not play (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Nov 8, 10:04:59
        
        We have experienced it though, and hasn't been to our benefit (Other Football) - pants, Nov 8, 10:51:54
        
        which he says is the influence of WAGs (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:07:01
        
        If it gets in the way of their partner actually furthering their careers (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Nov 8, 10:09:31
        
        What about their careers ? (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:13:27
        
        they couldnt care less it would seem (Other Football) - phrankin, Nov 8, 10:16:34
        
        Nope. (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Nov 8, 10:15:18
        
        The wags "needs" will become "equal" when they have careers? (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Nov 8, 10:18:13
        
        Hehehe! I'm actually a feminist, would you believe? (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Nov 8, 10:21:45
        
        Some WAGS are more equal than others (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Nov 8, 10:19:22
        
        I don't know, how many WAGs are in careers ? (answer is not 9) (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Nov 8, 10:16:51
        
        Most of them are breeding (Other Football) - duke of york, Nov 8, 10:18:11
        
        not many anymore - just golddiggers these days arent they? (n/m) (Other Football) - phrankin, Nov 8, 10:17:27

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