Fully understand and agree with your position about safe spaces. That said I still have

some sympathy with the Algerian boxer. She has lived as a female all her life. Has boxed for a number of years without controversy, including in the Tokyo Olympics, and is arguably not that successful (won 9, lost 5). Then last year the IBA, a discredited organisation, disqualified her without formally stating what test they conducted and what were the results. This is not a trans issue, if anything it relates to Differences of Sexual Development (DSD).

Posted By: The Gaffer on August 1st 2024 at 18:25:50

Message Thread

Bit of a mess in the women’s boxing (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 13:25:50
- Genuine question... (Other Sports) - NxNW, Aug 1, 15:57:16
  - Not sure if there are other natural causes, but they could be intersex (Other Sports) - Legacy Fan, Aug 1, 16:33:06
  - Not an expert (there’s a first) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 16:01:55
    - Rare/very rare (Other Sports) - Jester, Aug 1, 18:52:19
- Did Mick Dundee do the test? (n/m) (Other Sports) - littletinyphil, Aug 1, 14:13:01
- Complete fucking disgrace (n/m) (Other Sports) - paulg, Aug 1, 14:06:09
- this is the future. male bodied women dominating sport. (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 1, 13:55:19
  - Yes, that's definitely what those wokesters want. Their goal is for male bodied women to (Other Sports) - Bertie Russell, Aug 1, 14:30:16
  - a transphobe too. how very unsurprising (n/m) (Other Sports) - Cable Gap Pioneer, Aug 1, 14:20:06
    - I don’t think it’s transphobic. Women’s sports and spaces should be protected (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 15:29:35
      - The boxer in question is not a trans women. She is a women with high testosterone levels. (n/m) (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 15:36:22
        
        And yes, sorry, not saying the boxer is trans, just not a biolgical woman (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 16:10:38
        
        I have seen no evidence for this. On the contrary, failed a gender test twice and has xy (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 15:50:49
        
        Although no one really knows about the test(s) failed (Other Sports) - Bertie Russell, Aug 1, 16:06:41
        
        (A little more on that, from FT and Reuters journo David Sheppard (Other Sports) - Bertie Russell, Aug 1, 16:16:28
        
        Managed to open it. I will just add the IBA have responded and it’s pretty clear to me (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 17:10:00
        
        Fully understand and agree with your position about safe spaces. That said I still have (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 18:25:50
        
        Probably time to draw a line under this thread then (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 16:30:31
        
        Wrothing in a place with terrible internet! Will try and open and read 🤞 (n/m) (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 16:30:24
        
        (In particular, should be very careful asserting the line about xy chromosomes (Other Sports) - Bertie Russell, Aug 1, 16:19:01
        
        Is she had a penis and testicles, she wouldn't be competing (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 15:52:41
        
        if she's "intersex", she's not a woman. That would seem to answer the point. (n/m) (Other Sports) - paulg, Aug 1, 16:22:12
        
        Intersex is a vague term and has no agreed definition. (n/m) (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 17:05:43
        
        Well, if she's xy chromosome she's not a woman (Other Sports) - paulg, Aug 1, 18:11:35
        
        'if' (n/m) (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 18:26:47
        
        But (Other Sports) - paulg, Aug 1, 18:46:10
        
        Apparently about 1 in 15,000 women have XY chromosomes. Outwardly they are physically (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 20:00:22
    - Why is it transphobic? (Other Sports) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 1, 15:24:46
  - Is it? (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 13:59:43
    - from memory over the last couple of weeks, boxing, basketball, swimming (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 1, 14:07:07
      - Yes (pool) my sport, currently going through a trans row at the minute.. (Other Sports) - RightOnCue, Aug 1, 14:19:20
        
        They’re not women either and have both previously failed gender tests. You only have.. (Other Sports) - RightOnCue, Aug 1, 14:26:46
        
        She has a career record of 9 wins and 5 loses. Not really that much of an advantage. (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 15:40:16
        
        Yes they’re intersex (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 15:36:50
        
        Intersex probably too nuanced for some of these cretins (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 15:51:21
        
        Intersex meaning neither female nor male.. (Other Sports) - RightOnCue, Aug 1, 20:17:01
        
        If an XY DSD like Semenya has, the boxer should not be described as a (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 16:18:59
        
        We have no idea if Khelif has xy chromosomes though (n/m) (Other Sports) - Bertie Russell, Aug 1, 16:20:25
        
        Would be helpful if the athletes could clarify (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 16:40:30
        
        The boxers aren’t trans though are they? (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 14:21:46
      - Saw the darts (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 14:10:21
      - You got a Google alert set for it or something...? (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 14:08:10
        
        😂 (n/m) (Other Sports) - norwaay, Aug 1, 15:29:53
- Hope the woke brigade are happy (n/m) (Other Sports) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 1, 13:37:34
  - That's nice. The blubbing bigot wishes happiness for people. Touching. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Boyer, Aug 1, 15:02:34
- Ridiculous (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 13:33:30
  - Quite a pounding (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 13:44:23
    - Is she intersex or something, like Semenya? (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 14:11:32
      - I assume that’s the case yeah (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 14:18:16

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