(A little more on that, from FT and Reuters journo David Sheppard

not someone with particular skin in the game re trans athletes etc, but has reported on Russia and IOC in the past

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Posted By: Bertie Russell on August 1st 2024 at 16:16:28

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Bit of a mess in the women’s boxing (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 13:25:50
- Genuine question... (Other Sports) - NxNW, Aug 1, 15:57:16
  - Not sure if there are other natural causes, but they could be intersex (Other Sports) - Legacy Fan, Aug 1, 16:33:06
  - Not an expert (there’s a first) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 16:01:55
    - Rare/very rare (Other Sports) - Jester, Aug 1, 18:52:19
- Did Mick Dundee do the test? (n/m) (Other Sports) - littletinyphil, Aug 1, 14:13:01
- Complete fucking disgrace (n/m) (Other Sports) - paulg, Aug 1, 14:06:09
- this is the future. male bodied women dominating sport. (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 1, 13:55:19
  - Yes, that's definitely what those wokesters want. Their goal is for male bodied women to (Other Sports) - Bertie Russell, Aug 1, 14:30:16
  - a transphobe too. how very unsurprising (n/m) (Other Sports) - Cable Gap Pioneer, Aug 1, 14:20:06
    - I don’t think it’s transphobic. Women’s sports and spaces should be protected (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 15:29:35
      - The boxer in question is not a trans women. She is a women with high testosterone levels. (n/m) (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 15:36:22
        
        And yes, sorry, not saying the boxer is trans, just not a biolgical woman (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 16:10:38
        
        I have seen no evidence for this. On the contrary, failed a gender test twice and has xy (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 15:50:49
        
        Although no one really knows about the test(s) failed (Other Sports) - Bertie Russell, Aug 1, 16:06:41
        
        (A little more on that, from FT and Reuters journo David Sheppard (Other Sports) - Bertie Russell, Aug 1, 16:16:28
        
        Managed to open it. I will just add the IBA have responded and it’s pretty clear to me (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 17:10:00
        
        Fully understand and agree with your position about safe spaces. That said I still have (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 18:25:50
        
        Probably time to draw a line under this thread then (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 16:30:31
        
        Wrothing in a place with terrible internet! Will try and open and read 🤞 (n/m) (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 16:30:24
        
        (In particular, should be very careful asserting the line about xy chromosomes (Other Sports) - Bertie Russell, Aug 1, 16:19:01
        
        Is she had a penis and testicles, she wouldn't be competing (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 15:52:41
        
        if she's "intersex", she's not a woman. That would seem to answer the point. (n/m) (Other Sports) - paulg, Aug 1, 16:22:12
        
        Intersex is a vague term and has no agreed definition. (n/m) (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 17:05:43
        
        Well, if she's xy chromosome she's not a woman (Other Sports) - paulg, Aug 1, 18:11:35
        
        'if' (n/m) (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 18:26:47
        
        But (Other Sports) - paulg, Aug 1, 18:46:10
        
        Apparently about 1 in 15,000 women have XY chromosomes. Outwardly they are physically (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 20:00:22
    - Why is it transphobic? (Other Sports) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 1, 15:24:46
  - Is it? (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 13:59:43
    - from memory over the last couple of weeks, boxing, basketball, swimming (Other Sports) - shoddy, Aug 1, 14:07:07
      - Yes (pool) my sport, currently going through a trans row at the minute.. (Other Sports) - RightOnCue, Aug 1, 14:19:20
        
        They’re not women either and have both previously failed gender tests. You only have.. (Other Sports) - RightOnCue, Aug 1, 14:26:46
        
        She has a career record of 9 wins and 5 loses. Not really that much of an advantage. (Other Sports) - The Gaffer, Aug 1, 15:40:16
        
        Yes they’re intersex (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 15:36:50
        
        Intersex probably too nuanced for some of these cretins (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 15:51:21
        
        Intersex meaning neither female nor male.. (Other Sports) - RightOnCue, Aug 1, 20:17:01
        
        If an XY DSD like Semenya has, the boxer should not be described as a (Other Sports) - Bravo win or die, Aug 1, 16:18:59
        
        We have no idea if Khelif has xy chromosomes though (n/m) (Other Sports) - Bertie Russell, Aug 1, 16:20:25
        
        Would be helpful if the athletes could clarify (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 16:40:30
        
        The boxers aren’t trans though are they? (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 14:21:46
      - Saw the darts (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 14:10:21
      - You got a Google alert set for it or something...? (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 14:08:10
        
        😂 (n/m) (Other Sports) - norwaay, Aug 1, 15:29:53
- Hope the woke brigade are happy (n/m) (Other Sports) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 1, 13:37:34
  - That's nice. The blubbing bigot wishes happiness for people. Touching. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Boyer, Aug 1, 15:02:34
- Ridiculous (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 13:33:30
  - Quite a pounding (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 13:44:23
    - Is she intersex or something, like Semenya? (Other Sports) - jamesward, Aug 1, 14:11:32
      - I assume that’s the case yeah (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 14:18:16

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