It's not really a secret that Farage fancies a reverse takeover of the Tories

That entity would do well in the next election. To counter that Starmer needs a) a solid track record of delivery and b) some big, new ideas which he's spent a couple of years pre-election socialising. I suspect given all that Starmer would still win again but with a much lower majority.

I'm really disheartened by how well Reform have done so far.

Posted By: Old Man on July 4th 2024 at 23:39:04

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Great night for labour, but a worrying night for politics in this countrt (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 4, 23:21:29
- It's clear that Labour will need to work harder to unify the nation (General Chat) - MonkeyPuzzle, Jul 4, 23:26:19
  - It’s already been going longer than 5 years (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 4, 23:30:42
  - Or we look at Europe, and see what the future holds if things don't change (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Jul 4, 23:27:16
    - Behaviour needs to come from the bottom and not the top it would appear (General Chat) - MonkeyPuzzle, Jul 4, 23:38:35
      - If you are talking migration (General Chat) - phrankin, Jul 4, 23:45:05
        
        Clearly the Tory management of immigration/migration has been a huge failure (General Chat) - MonkeyPuzzle, Jul 4, 23:50:31
        
        We could try the social democrats of Denmark's plan (General Chat) - phrankin, Jul 4, 23:52:21
        
        Well lets face it, even the 'tolerant' seldom integrate (General Chat) - MonkeyPuzzle, Jul 4, 23:58:40
- What's the fear, populists are in charge in Italy. (General Chat) - phrankin, Jul 4, 23:23:47
  - The worry for me would be that what the exit polls are showing…. (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 4, 23:36:14
    - Or maybe Labour can foresee that risk (General Chat) - CWC, Jul 4, 23:44:44
      - 5 years in a struggling economy doesn’t feel like long enough to do that to me (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 4, 23:49:51
    - It's not really a secret that Farage fancies a reverse takeover of the Tories (General Chat) - Old Man, Jul 4, 23:39:04
    - But loads of Tories aren’t far right (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jul 4, 23:39:01
      - No, of course you’re right. But would they shift to labour? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 4, 23:42:32
        
        Centrist Tories seem to be switching to Lib Dems? (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jul 4, 23:44:51
        
        Yeah, true (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 4, 23:46:11
        
        A lot of career Politicians are opportunist and will jump ship at the drop of a hat. (n/m) (General Chat) - promethian1, Jul 4, 23:44:51
      - Where do they go - lib dems? (General Chat) - Old Man, Jul 4, 23:42:05
        
        Indeed (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 4, 23:43:30
        
        Well plenty say Labour are now what the Tories were 🤷‍♂️ (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jul 4, 23:50:29
      - Populist Right is not exactly the Far Right of old (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Jul 4, 23:40:55
  - Not sure I’d ever look to Italy for political direction (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Jul 4, 23:27:36
    - Haha (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jul 4, 23:30:27

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