The comparison is a bit basic for me

It doesn't seem to take into account the huge inflation in transfer fees seen across the period. My perception is NCFC is much less able to compete financially now (or earlier in the Webber era) than we were under McNally. For example, I don't think there is any chance we could have signed a player equivalent to Nathan Redmond in 2019. Also, would we be signing players of the quality of Howson and Snodgrass from a championship side like Leeds for amounts we can comfortably afford if we were in the PL now? I don't think so - how much did Sheff United pay for Hamer? £15m?

It also doesn't seem to give real credit for bringing youth players through (other than a small acknowledgement). I know it's a point that is not possible to quantify as we don't know what would have happened to them if McNally were the boss. However, Webber did do well to get the fees that we did for Lewis, Godfrey, Maddison etc..

I'm not defending Webber per se, just think a bit more balance is needed. Football finance has changed hugely and NCFC has been left behind in that time.

FWIW, I really liked McNally. It was a really enjoyable period to support NCFC. For the most part, the Webber era has been pretty good too. Perhaps Dave Bowers should add an extra column to compare them both with Neil Doncaster?

Posted By: SimonOTBC on November 8th 2023 at 10:29:10

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On the day that Knapper was announced we were only behind fifth on goal difference (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 09:17:31
- A quick historic quiz (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Nov 8, 10:49:37
  - It's definitely all cyclical for a club like us (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 10:58:28
    - In the long-run, doesn't performance always come back to budget? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 12:29:34
      - VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 12:37:56
    - Were you around in the Chase era? (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 11:01:26
      - Haha - true (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 11:05:46
    - A masterclass in bad PR (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 8, 11:00:46
      - Anyone can get away with bad PR (NCFC) - Pam Demic, Nov 8, 11:18:02
- Didn't our downturn begin with your return to the board? (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 8, 10:01:11
  - 😲 (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 10:13:19
- As others have said though his new boss is his predecessors wife (NCFC) - Old Splat, Nov 8, 09:39:58
  - This has been addressed cou toess times (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Nov 8, 09:58:04
    - Facts don't matter (or at least not as much as they should) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 10:00:54
  - She has to be judged on her merits alone. (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 09:46:31
- He's been in football long enough (NCFC) - Pam Demic, Nov 8, 09:20:09
  - I doubt he's been that conscious of it. He is now though! (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 09:24:22
- He’s got a very straightforward excuse for everything bad… (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 09:19:23
  - Much as Webber blamed McNally (NCFC) - camcan, Nov 8, 09:23:38
    - People flagged McNally but he's had a much more sustained spell of relative "success" (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 8, 09:29:20
      - I liked McNally (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 10:03:36
        
        Yep,totally agree about McNally.Maybe soccerbot has become sentient and is secretly (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 8, 11:00:45
        
        Just wait until it gets the AI software upgrade. (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 11:02:49
        
        "prime minister Bot ". (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 8, 11:07:43
      - People also ended up hating Chase but his reign was better than either McNally or Webber. (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 09:51:58
        
        Comparing Chase to a modern-day Chief Exec or SD (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Nov 8, 10:07:29
        
        Understand where you're coming from, like comparing players from different eras. (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 10:18:00
        
        Yes. But Chase had a much more stable platform to start. (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Nov 8, 10:43:01
        
        Yes one that he created prior to the Prem years. Not sure what your argument is? (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 10:50:23
        
        Chase started in the top tier (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Nov 8, 10:53:45
        
        So you believe that McNally and Webber did a better job than Chase? (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 10:58:59
        
        Like I said, their roles aren't really comparable (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Nov 8, 12:36:58
      - By a distance (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 09:35:36
        
        The comparison is a bit basic for me (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 10:29:10
        
        Some of it is pathetic. He compares transfer revenue generated and includes McNally (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 10:46:24
        
        Excellent points Simon (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 10:37:29
        
        Yes, you're right, McNally didn't deserve the hammering Webber gave him (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 12:26:24
        
        They're probably the same thing really (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 12:39:48
        
        Balance has no place right now. (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Nov 8, 10:33:41
        
        lol (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 10:37:11
        
        Correction: WEBBERS OUT (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 8, 11:03:05
        
        Attaboy! (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Nov 8, 10:43:48
        
        The recruitment (& retention) of Hughton is arguably (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Nov 8, 10:12:59
        
        Tbf, I was sure we'd be relegated the season after Lambert left (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 10:17:12
        
        True (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 10:16:18
        
        A shame that the author gloats over his dislike of Webber. (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 10:08:44
        
        Agree - although he does at least show his working (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 10:14:25
        
        it's as if the jezz moxey golden era never happened (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 8, 09:47:56
        
        A true club legend 😄 (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 09:48:25
        
        steered us through some difficult waters (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 8, 09:53:38
      - Did you see the comparison piece on MFW? (NCFC) - camcan, Nov 8, 09:33:46
        
        Ha - I just linked it below 🙂 (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 09:35:58
        
        Err... above even (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 09:36:13
      - Slagged fgs😡 (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 8, 09:29:37
        
        Brom knew. (n/m) (NCFC) - camcan, Nov 8, 09:34:32
    - Accept Webber didn't have to work with McNally's wife as he said it. (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 09:24:54
      - McNally DID work with Webbers wife though. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Nov 8, 09:43:53
        
        Other way round, but yes, good point! (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 09:45:46
        
        He did (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 09:44:33
      - I think what’s helpful is the fans seemingly “hate” Webber (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 09:36:48
        
        Yes, that's all fair (NCFC) - norwaay, Nov 8, 09:45:19
        
        One thing is certain. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pam Demic, Nov 8, 10:06:07
        
        that... (NCFC) - Pam Demic, Nov 8, 10:08:29
      - very true (n/m) (NCFC) - camcan, Nov 8, 09:34:04

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