We are here because we've refused to have a debate about immigration

Hence the risk of UKIP and the impending Brexit vote.

Had we on the left actually had a discussion with people who had concerns about immigration this whole mess could (and should) have been knocked on the head years ago.

It was never going to go away and shouting RACIST at people was never the answer.

Posted By: megson on June 14th 2016 at 16:33:31

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I hate to post this, but i must. (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 16:01:25
- We are here because we've refused to have a debate about immigration (General Chat) - megson, Jun 14, 16:33:31
  - It's become an emotional argument and hence the facts are irrelevant. (General Chat) - APB, Jun 14, 17:37:27
  - apart from there being nothing but discussing immigration (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 16:41:03
    - Well, think about what eu immigration does for you , and what it might do for people w. (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 16:43:06
      - pays more taxes for a start, will certainly help dampen that demographic time-bomb too (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 16:51:11
        
        Points based system deals with all of these points (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 14, 17:01:00
        
        that money getting spent in this country works as a multiplier creating more jobs (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 16:52:43
        
        No, that's bullshit, ieasrern European car washes and super markets (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 16:56:06
        
        they spend their earnings from washing cars in pubs and shops (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 17:01:24
        
        And who gets those jobs? (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 17:13:30
        
        unemployed people, school leavers those what have stopped looking for a job in a factory (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 17:15:25
        
        I heard that both our factory-jobs were already taken? (n/m) (General Chat) - Henclrikus, Jun 14, 17:54:35
        
        Bullshit.not that you'd know, nor admit. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 17:17:01
        
        Fair enough, but if you can't get a factory job it means fuck all. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 16:52:41
        
        it'd mean less taxes taken in by the governement, which leads to less money for them to sp (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 16:56:34
        
        Again, if you can't get a factory job what does it mean? nowt. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 16:58:13
        
        Why are the factories employing EU migrants rather than working class British? (n/m) (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 14, 17:44:00
        
        Because... (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 14, 17:48:30
        
        it means you've got even less chance of getting a job and having to live on less money whi (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 17:06:08
        
        Yup. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 17:07:39
        
        good, i'm glad you agree that immigration is a good thing that creates jobs and keeps the (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 17:12:03
        
        Yes, for you. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 17:14:49
        
        yes, for the working class, dragged up in a council house, leaving school at 16 (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 17:18:02
        
        My point being , again, That you aren't working class, you were but aren't (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 17:23:17
        
        it affects us all Proth, not in a false tory 'we're all in this together' bullshit way (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 17:27:47
        
        But what is lost amid all the scaremongering is that the country would not be a (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 14, 17:52:22
        
        it's all relative and cummulative Jim, if you think it's a price worth paying that's up to (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 18:20:58
        
        Yes but it just illustrates the myths put our there by both sides in this campaign (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 14, 18:36:41
        
        No Jim, a recession does make us, as a country, worse off (that's a fact) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 19:20:13
        
        Would that be like the recession we had 8 yrs ago?...... (General Chat) - yellowman, Jun 14, 19:47:01
        
        yes, exactly like other recessions, where each and everytime it's the poorest that are hit (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 19:54:11
        
        I'm not talking Benidorm instead of Barcelona bad..... (General Chat) - yellowman, Jun 14, 20:03:45
        
        I mean.... (General Chat) - yellowman, Jun 14, 20:08:07
        
        it gets worse for them. That's what happens. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 20:12:29
        
        if we leave that is, it all gets worse for the poorest (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 20:14:27
        
        more of the same then!..... (General Chat) - yellowman, Jun 14, 20:26:55
        
        no Jim, it's (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 19:10:46
        
        I do see that, i just need to get people's views across (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 17:33:49
        
        And how much do you earn a year? (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 17:19:23
      - I th limited qualifications. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 16:43:41
        
        .. and brain cells. Idiot ! (n/m) (General Chat) - stowch, Jun 14, 17:50:57
  - Yep,but working class, under qualified people genuinely do fear for their jobs (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 16:40:18
    - "under qualified people" (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 14, 17:24:34
      - I'm sure it was, but look at the canning industry in Kings Lynn. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 17:29:10
- It's just too easy to dismiss working class voices and many on here do and have. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 14, 16:02:51
  - I voted two weeks ago - postal vote (General Chat) - Highlander, Jun 14, 16:51:57
  - I'm just bored with the campaigns now. Just bring on the 23rd and get it over with. (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 14, 16:11:30
    - Remain prob still win easily ... (General Chat) - loz, Jun 14, 17:45:21

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