by being worse off than us, bar 3 of them

No-one is saying we can't cope alone, the rather simple point is that we will be worse off alone than we would be if we were to remain in the EU.

If people want to put sovereignty above economics in terms of their priorities, fine.

But don't kid yourselves that we can be this great independent nation but not suffer for it.

So we'll have control over who comes in or not - whoop de f**king do. We will not be cutting immigration in real terms any time soon because we need it for growth.

Immigration is not the problem - it's the woeful underfunding of public services to accomodate it. That is not going to change any time soon because the electorate (by and large) doesn't want to pay for it.

And paying for it will become that much harder when the economy isn't performing quite as well as we're expecting it to, given all of our growth and spending forecasts etc assume remaining part of the EU.

Posted By: CWC on June 3rd 2016 at 13:38:40

Message Thread

Vote in I've decided... (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jun 3, 01:11:04
- Anyone know how 75% of the worlds countries cope with not being in this wonderful EU? (n/m) (General Chat) - Boris, Jun 3, 12:25:27
  - by being worse off than us, bar 3 of them (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 3, 13:38:40
    - Ding ding ding! Very much sums it up perfectly Cherry and White! (n/m) (General Chat) - Pixelman, Jun 3, 14:23:23
  - They tend to be (General Chat) - Cannydc, Jun 3, 12:58:22
- Ahhhh another day more of this in fighting I'm right your wrong dull shit (General Chat) - Boris, Jun 3, 08:37:54
  - *you're* & *you're* (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 3, 09:59:24
    - Correct is with two r's (n/m) (General Chat) - Boris, Jun 3, 12:23:10
    - *C .... (General Chat) - yellowman, Jun 3, 10:55:06
    - Autocorrect you dull arse (n/m) (General Chat) - Boris, Jun 3, 10:49:06
      - chinny reckon you humourless fucktard (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 3, 10:54:11
  - Yawn. (n/m) (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Jun 3, 08:55:12
- Can only see one answer, in truth (General Chat) - Cannydc, Jun 3, 04:00:09
  - Gosh, arrows (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Jun 3, 08:52:29
  - Absolutely bang on the nail head. Plus, we will end up signing up to most of the rules (General Chat) - CB41, Jun 3, 08:26:49
  - This is a holier than thou post if I've ever seen one (General Chat) - Sonic, Jun 3, 08:24:07
    - I didn't say that Remain claims were proven (General Chat) - Cannydc, Jun 3, 09:16:39
      - But you're continuing. Leave and remain both have claims to experts reports. (n/m) (General Chat) - Boris, Jun 3, 12:32:51
      - George Osborne has lied/misrepresented more than anyone (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 3, 12:07:46
        
        anything to back up that claim Jim? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 3, 13:23:35
        
        No need, Jim is ALWAYS right (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Jun 3, 14:31:52
    - Better than those c##ts Johnson and Gove, and that's from an Tory. They were Preston (General Chat) - CB41, Jun 3, 08:30:05
      - #anti# (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Jun 3, 08:34:19
    - So you'd rather Boris Johnson is PM with Gove as Chancellor? (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jun 3, 08:27:27
      - Think your a bit muddled with your politics (n/m) (General Chat) - Sonic, Jun 3, 08:35:22
        
        You brought Cameron"s premiership in to it. Make your mind up. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jun 3, 09:02:47
        
        He was clearly saying Cameron as head of the remain camp (General Chat) - Boris, Jun 3, 10:51:14
        
        Fuck off Boris (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jun 3, 11:04:55
      - This is not a general election though. (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 3, 08:28:07
        
        Sorry meant leadership election. If Cameron and the government had handled this better (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 3, 08:41:40
        
        Johnson is an egocentric po (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Jun 3, 08:48:41
        
        political chancer. The only reason he is leading the outers is because he is convinced (General Chat) - CB41, Jun 3, 08:52:07
        
        I don't think he's come out of this campaign well and don;t see him (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 3, 09:07:34
        
        Nor do I (General Chat) - Cannydc, Jun 3, 09:22:16
        
        Don't think it is the only reason but defo is a big reason (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Jun 3, 08:56:38
  - Unfortunately though reform is not on the table. We vote in and (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 3, 07:56:08
    - In the short term there's no doubt it will hurt our economy (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 3, 08:37:28
      - I agree with that. for me, it genuinely would be different if I felt (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 3, 08:47:21
      - If the pound weakens as the remain camp say. Suddenly we will look very competitive (n/m) (General Chat) - Boris, Jun 3, 08:39:08
        
        Is our economy based on exports? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 3, 08:43:16
        
        You must be abroad then cos that's an early lunch (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Jun 3, 08:55:06
    - Yay, let's all be less rich! What a utopia to look forward to (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 3, 08:18:17
      - You might be less more rich is what they are actually saying (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 3, 08:32:55
        
        A short term recession followed by a long term decline in global relevance and influence (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 3, 08:36:54
        
        VMT (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 3, 08:38:54
  - Spot on! (n/m) (General Chat) - 51eve, Jun 3, 07:44:58
  - VMT (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 3, 07:04:25
  - competely and absolutely spot on (n/m) (General Chat) - IG88, Jun 3, 06:35:02
- i love owen jones (General Chat) - earthleakage, Jun 3, 01:30:00
  - Traitor. Anti-English. Typical Guardian cunt. (n/m) (General Chat) - Pit, Jun 3, 15:37:20
  - He's a supercilious prick! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jun 3, 15:07:46
  - What was he saying on QT last night? I thought he was anti EU or (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 3, 08:52:06
  - Seriously? He's disgusting. I've voted labour all my life (General Chat) - Sonic, Jun 3, 06:51:53
    - Your I'm alright jack attitude suits the right more than the centre (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Jun 3, 08:47:36
    - Really? I thought you were a Libdem voter. (General Chat) - Bravo win or die, Jun 3, 08:37:22
      - Some of the people who post here clearly have severe problems... (General Chat) - usacanary, Jun 3, 16:23:32
      - Oh my - what a sad bullshitter. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jun 3, 09:12:50
      - Ha ha, Booooooooooooom (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Jun 3, 08:53:38
    - Why is he vile exactly? (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jun 3, 07:57:35
      - Because Sonic is a Bucks and he was a massive homophobe? (General Chat) - bird table, Jun 3, 09:45:41
  - Champagne socialist spouting stuff without substance (n/m) (General Chat) - wolfio, Jun 3, 02:07:36
    - Don't you go spoiling the love of the night Wolf. There's always one. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jun 3, 02:19:03
  - Yep see's through the nonsense doesn't he, straight to it. Love him too. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jun 3, 01:32:25
    - I told him on twitter he turned my mind gay. My mind fancies him so very much. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jun 3, 01:33:12
      - haha! (n/m) (General Chat) - earthleakage, Jun 3, 01:43:42

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