I don't think there are many industries that are less racist than modern day football

It will just take a bit of time for the previous and current generation of players (where black players are disproportionately high achievers if you look at the premier league and the England team and compare it to the % of the national population who are black) to work their way through the system to management and coaching roles but it will happen.

I really refuse to believe that any club does not interview black candidates for their management job because they are black. If managers are good, they will get interviews and will get appointed, simple as that. Fact is that football clubs just care about winning. They will generally appoint any manager that they think will achieve that for them whether that person is black or white or purple. There may perhaps be other cultural reasons why black ex players don't look to go into coaching or management roles that people within the game can look at but I simply don;t believe that its because they don;t get interviews. There are loads of intelligent, articulate black ex players working in the media who could clearly turn their hand to management if they so desired but seem to prefer media work instead.

Barnes was a sh*t manager. Ince has done ok in patches but got a rep for being a bit of an a**ehole and there is clearly something else about him that may put off potential employers. Chris Powell has done ok so far and he has a job that probably reflects his managerial achievements to date. Hughton probably has a better reputation in the game than his managerial ability deserves, partly because he's a good bloke who was treated shabbily by Newcastle but also perhaps in part because he is regularly held up as the highest achieving black manager in the English game and a role model for others.

Posted By: Jim on June 5th 2015 at 10:03:44

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What does the board think (Other Football) - ghostof barry butler, Jun 5, 08:03:56
- I think its a good idea. (Other Football) - usacanary, Jun 5, 17:55:13
- I don't think there are many industries that are less racist than modern day football (Other Football) - Jim, Jun 5, 10:03:44
  - indeed - you have this effect in law a bit too (Other Football) - CWC, Jun 5, 11:06:22
    - I think with the younger generation of black players there is also an angle that they go (Other Football) - Jim, Jun 5, 11:17:25
  - In the UK that is! (n/m) (Other Football) - Jim, Jun 5, 10:04:01
- John Barnes and Paul Ince are just fucking shit managers though, race doesn't come into it (n/m) (Other Football) - MIKEWALKER, Jun 5, 09:13:11
  - True....Barnes had a great opportunity at Celtic and royally fucked it up. I'd like to (Other Football) - BINMEN8R, Jun 5, 09:21:38
- Ridiculous....I don't know anyone who gives a toss what colour someone's skin or ethnic (Other Football) - BINMEN8R, Jun 5, 09:06:54
  - The point is people don't actively think it (Other Football) - King, Jun 5, 09:14:14
    - Don't disagree but there needs to be 'push' on getting non-white individuals qualified (Other Football) - BINMEN8R, Jun 5, 09:26:45
    - Subconscious*. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 5, 09:15:29
      - My university professor told me unconscious (Other Football) - King, Jun 5, 09:17:48
        
        You'll swallow anything. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 5, 09:23:16
- bloody ridiculous. people should be picked on merit not get an interview based on skin (Other Football) - Tony Martin, Jun 5, 08:05:06
  - yes they should, but that isn't happening (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 5, 08:28:51
    - "probably mostly sub-concious decisions made on out-dated stereo-typing" (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 5, 09:52:57
      - it is a good idea (Other Football) - Tombs, Jun 5, 11:38:34
        
        Would be interesting to see some numbers around BME applications for roles (Other Football) - megson, Jun 5, 12:00:13
    - You love hyphens. (Other Football) - Garry Brooke, Jun 5, 09:34:08
      - i did think that as i was typing it (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 5, 09:49:13
    - About sums it up. (n/m) (Other Football) - avenging canary, Jun 5, 08:50:36
    - Good read on the legal side here (Other Football) - King, Jun 5, 08:42:19
    - And that, quite simply, is that. (Other Football) - norway, Jun 5, 08:36:20
    - vmt (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 5, 08:30:49
  - Agree (n/m) (Other Football) - Hulk Rules, Jun 5, 08:22:04
  - They should (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jun 5, 08:17:38
  - Clearly you are worse than Hitler (Other Football) - Fozzie, Jun 5, 08:16:31
    - Sorry. Too many kids on this bus (n/m) (Other Football) - Fozzie, Jun 5, 08:16:59

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