The problem is that Liverpool firms had a culture of bunking into games in the 1980s

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Therefore it is not surprising that people believe that it might have been a contributory factor and it certainly doesn't merit the abuse that you have been dishing out. As Jim says, we will probably never know, and it certainly doesn't excuse the other failings or the cover up.

More generally, you might argue that football firms in general are partly responsible. The violence which pervaded the game in the 1980s was one reason that the police had a default 'disorder management' mindset rather than 'crowd safety'. If the culture of fan violence had been less prevalent then maybe their response might have been better than the complete shambles that unfolded.

Posted By: Cart Gap Disco on September 13th 2012 at 10:26:18

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A (I hope) final word from me on yesterdays debate (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 13, 09:40:42
- But no-one WAS being simplistic (NCFC) - norway, Sep 13, 09:54:27
  - Errr I think you'll find that the report absolves the Govt of the time (NCFC) - Kirrie, Sep 13, 11:02:51
    - I suppose that is a matter of interpretation (NCFC) - norway, Sep 13, 11:32:41
  - The problem is that Liverpool firms had a culture of bunking into games in the 1980s (NCFC) - Cart Gap Disco, Sep 13, 10:26:18
    - i've read that book,that blokes a prick. (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 13, 10:37:22
    - Absolutely spot on (NCFC) - norway, Sep 13, 10:36:25
  - I'm not getting into the argument as i have said in the post (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 13, 10:03:04
  - and the liverpool fans themselves (n/m) (NCFC) - selwyn, Sep 13, 09:55:44
- It would also appear that Thatcher supressed the criticism of the police in the original (NCFC) - CB41, Sep 13, 09:51:50
  - Why wouldn't a Prime Minister be shocked at such an outcome? (NCFC) - UtterlyHuckerby, Sep 13, 09:55:42
    - I'm sure she was shocked, hence the suggestion of playing it down. (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Sep 13, 09:58:06
      - I don't think anyone could have anticipated the scale of the deception (n/m) (NCFC) - UtterlyHuckerby, Sep 13, 09:59:01
        
        They might if they had had dealings with the police and seen the exent to which they go (NCFC) - CB41, Sep 13, 10:01:10
        
        there are cover ups,and there are cover ups involving altering 160odd statements,that was (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 13, 10:40:54
  - Not sure that suggests she suppressed it does it? (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 13, 09:54:19
    - Does to me (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Sep 13, 09:55:50
  - silly old bitch (n/m) (NCFC) - selwyn, Sep 13, 09:52:54
    - Evil old bitch, far from silly (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Sep 13, 09:55:27
      - very much this (n/m) (NCFC) - selwyn, Sep 13, 09:56:43
        
        Wow, you guys are so cool ... (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 13, 11:03:01
        
        What an odd thing to say (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Sep 13, 11:49:37
        
        at last something we can agree on (n/m) (NCFC) - dr fanta, Sep 13, 09:57:41
- Good post, Kudos for reading and coming back. (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, Sep 13, 09:48:37
- shouldnt have posted that.tricky says NO (n/m) (NCFC) - selwyn, Sep 13, 09:46:23

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