not at all. one of the defining characteristics of conservatism

vs progressive school of thought, which has greater faith in humanity's potential for self-improvement.

Not saying the right are wrong. Maybe we are just what we are, warts and all, and there's no point hoping we can change ourselves for the better all that much.

Posted By: Tricky Hawes on April 20th 2012 at 16:42:27

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Port vales clayton mcdonald found not guilty of rape. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Apr 20, 15:22:38
- Ched found guilty. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Apr 20, 15:23:31
  - that will stop pants telling us everytime he scored a goal (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Apr 20, 17:01:10
  - Sounded vile and predatory (General Chat) - inutero, Apr 20, 15:54:39
    - I give her 3 months until the book/newspaper deal is released (n/m) (General Chat) - Ben, Apr 20, 16:03:57
      - Have a word. (n/m) (General Chat) - Garry Brooke, Apr 21, 05:58:05
      - The day i got raped by footballers (General Chat) - ghost of rob butler, Apr 20, 17:50:23
        
        footballer. One was found not guilty. (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 20, 17:53:25
        
        you bored? (n/m) (General Chat) - ghost of rob butler, Apr 20, 18:20:28
      - wow (n/m) (General Chat) - Lambert, Apr 20, 16:46:38
      - For fucks sake. (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Apr 20, 16:25:02
      - You do occasionally express really unpleasant viewsd on things, Ben (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Apr 20, 16:19:13
        
        What does right wing have to do with this (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Apr 20, 16:23:04
        
        simply that right-wingers have a tendency to hold humanity in fairly low regard (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Apr 20, 16:24:50
        
        I disagree, the right believes people are capable of doing things for themselves (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 21, 00:13:10
        
        Wow (General Chat) - norway, Apr 20, 16:26:34
        
        not at all. one of the defining characteristics of conservatism (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Apr 20, 16:42:27
        
        It obviously doesn't... (General Chat) - POA, Apr 20, 18:17:58
        
        You just need to look at the Daily Mail (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 20, 16:52:58
        
        Whereas all Lefties love women (General Chat) - NorthantsYella, Apr 20, 18:02:04
        
        Well, we were talking about the right (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 20, 18:38:48
        
        Oh racism too. (General Chat) - NorthantsYella, Apr 21, 08:58:26
        
        Yes I wondered that. (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Apr 20, 16:24:30
      - out of order (n/m) (General Chat) - asics_kit, Apr 20, 16:18:22
      - ... (General Chat) - SCC 28, Apr 20, 16:13:54
      - I think that's a fairly disgusting comment (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Apr 20, 16:09:22
        
        so drunk she couldn't remember what she was doing... (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 20, 16:17:26
        
        Ah the age old "Women, Don't Get Yourself Raped" thing. As a man I find it offensive (General Chat) - megson, Apr 20, 16:26:48
        
        If he was sober I entirely understand - looks completely predatory (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 20, 16:42:06
        
        I may be wrong (General Chat) - duke of york, Apr 20, 16:26:13
        
        she said "her drinks must have been spiked" (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 20, 16:29:37
        
        If she were to sell her story, pan her for it then, until then people should show (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Apr 20, 16:24:38
        
        and? (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Apr 20, 16:20:36
        
        She put out easily enough to the first one. who was not guilty of rape (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 20, 16:23:55
        
        There is not a shred of evidence that she 'put out' (General Chat) - norway, Apr 20, 16:25:54
        
        she maintained that she couldn't remember anything (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 20, 16:27:37
        
        So you agree she didn't consent then? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Apr 20, 22:20:55
        
        under the law if she is very drunk then it matters not whether she did or did not (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 21, 00:06:43
        
        And honestly mate I don't know the details (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 21, 00:16:39
        
        Albeit she must have accused both (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Apr 20, 16:25:16
        
        She hasn't got a clue what happened (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 20, 16:27:12
        
        So how can you say, "She put out easily enough to the first one" then? (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Apr 20, 16:28:44
        
        I think the ruling was (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 20, 16:55:53
        
        I'm aware of that, you haven't answered my question (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Apr 20, 17:45:28
        
        I have no idea if she put out (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 20, 17:50:10
        
        Well said (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Apr 20, 16:16:51
  - Guessing there'll be an appeal... (General Chat) - Greeny, Apr 20, 15:33:31
    - I'll be amazed if there's no appeal.. (General Chat) - Wiltshire Yellow, Apr 20, 15:48:31
  - Wow (General Chat) - norway, Apr 20, 15:29:37
  - didn't realise the cases against them were different (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Apr 20, 15:28:50
    - Depends on his sentence I suppose (General Chat) - norway, Apr 20, 15:30:19
      - ~Coventry will have him. (General Chat) - Pixelman, Apr 20, 15:48:12
      - five years, half to be served (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Apr 20, 15:31:18
        
        I expect so (General Chat) - Winged Eel Creosote, Apr 20, 15:32:26
        
        how many found guilty of rape tho? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Apr 20, 16:14:59
        
        Oh yeah Lee Hughes... who then allegedly raped someone (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 20, 16:11:38
        
        Marlon King? (n/m) (General Chat) - Brom, Apr 20, 15:33:20
        
        I was just about to suggest Oldham (n/m) (General Chat) - Karnivore, Apr 20, 15:33:11
  - Wow. Very unusual. (n/m) (General Chat) - LincolnshireCanary, Apr 20, 15:24:09
    - Heavy stuff,but if he did the crime be must do time. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Apr 20, 15:27:25
      - I agree. (General Chat) - LincolnshireCanary, Apr 20, 15:29:25
        
        Dont know enough about it to comment in any detail tbf. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Apr 20, 15:32:49
        
        I imagine the judge will make further comments when he is sentenced. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Apr 20, 15:31:02
        
        Which probably says (General Chat) - Winged Eel Creosote, Apr 20, 15:30:47
        
        I doubt it. I'm a criminal defence solicitor and have followed it through court reporters (n/m) (General Chat) - LincolnshireCanary, Apr 20, 15:32:38
        
        So it's perverse then? (General Chat) - Winged Eel Creosote, Apr 20, 15:35:32
        
        No idea. I'm saying based on what I heard, I was expecting both one way or the other (n/m) (General Chat) - LincolnshireCanary, Apr 20, 15:38:40
        
        Did only one of them, er, penetrate her? (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Apr 20, 15:39:39
        
        Nope both did. But both gave exactly the same accounts in defence (General Chat) - LincolnshireCanary, Apr 20, 15:42:28
        
        And (to be fair) (General Chat) - LincolnshireCanary, Apr 20, 15:42:53
        
        according to been (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Apr 20, 15:42:15
        
        Hmm, so she was OK shagging the one that picked her up (General Chat) - duke of york, Apr 20, 15:44:28
        
        Yes (n/m) (General Chat) - LincolnshireCanary, Apr 20, 15:45:09
        
        *beeb* (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Apr 20, 15:43:13
        
        That can't be the whole story.... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Apr 20, 16:11:08
        
        That sounds like a fair summation to me (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Apr 20, 15:45:40
        
        Ched Evans coming round etc seems very predatory (General Chat) - phrankin, Apr 20, 16:34:10

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