Still don't get it. We can go further and compare the Penbury estate to some

places I've seen in Eastern Europe, or places I haven't see in third world countries. South African townships.

But it still doesn't justify the ACTIONS.

Setting fire to an innocent person's house isn't a statement. It's attempted murder. Looting isn't a statement. It's stealing.

Posted By: Steve in Holland on August 9th 2011 at 12:20:00

Message Thread

I grew up poor on a council estate. Lots of unemployment. I myself spent 18 months (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 9, 12:10:11
- being brought up in Lakenham is hardly Inner city (General Chat) - micky maguire, Aug 9, 13:00:11
- But it is the youths causing the trouble (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Aug 9, 12:29:46
  - ^^ EMA that, I think, really is a massive issue. Just looks like a big "fuck you" (General Chat) - megson, Aug 9, 12:40:00
    - what's an EMA ? Like an EMU ? Don't they even pay the little fuckers to go to (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 9, 12:43:49
      - Whats an EMU? (n/m) (General Chat) - megson, Aug 9, 12:46:51
    - Especially when the richest avoid paying tax (n/m) (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Aug 9, 12:43:46
      - That really needs to change, not just individually but corporate too. Did DC get his (General Chat) - megson, Aug 9, 12:46:31
        
        absolutely, tax avoidance by the rich is a major issue (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 9, 12:57:46
        
        As is benefit fraud for exactly the same reason! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Aug 9, 13:13:35
- i spent the first 9 years of my life on a shitty council estate (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 9, 12:19:10
  - Why the hell did you do that ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 9, 12:20:26
    - mostly stupidity (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 9, 12:25:13
- because it is all Cameron's fault cos he closed the yoof centres. (n/m) (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 9, 12:18:46
  - he only closed them all as brown had spent all our money. (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Aug 9, 12:51:58
  - No-one is saying that's the whole reason, people are trying to understand the possible (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 9, 12:29:46
    - not what i said (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 9, 12:34:33
      - So who should we blame then? A powerless labour party? (General Chat) - megson, Aug 9, 12:38:54
      - You're characterising people who thing closure of youth centres is part of the problem.. (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 9, 12:36:28
        
        Sorry, I mean your initial message characterised people as that. (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 9, 12:39:10
- Gangs (n/m) (General Chat) - mr carra, Aug 9, 12:15:42
  - If it were gangs they'd be fighting each other (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 9, 12:20:41
    - or trying to outdo each other (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 9, 12:27:33
      - And lots of opportunists nicking stuff because they can (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 9, 12:28:15
- lots and lots of things (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 9, 12:12:04
  - Surprised. I was in Hackney a few months ago and it appeared to have improved (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 9, 12:14:11
    - lots of it is great. I bet you didn't spend time on the Penbury estate though. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 9, 12:14:51
      - Still don't get it. We can go further and compare the Penbury estate to some (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 9, 12:20:00
        
        I don't think anyone is trying to 'justify' the actions, just saying why they believe it (General Chat) - malkybarkid, Aug 9, 12:23:07
- Society's got shitter (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 9, 12:11:40
  - Never before has there been a generation with such a sense of entitlement. (General Chat) - Tim Westwood, Aug 9, 12:16:57
    - Yes, Xboxs in prisons. THATS the problem here. (General Chat) - megson, Aug 9, 12:27:46
      - I think Tim Westwood and Schteve have ended up in the same place as malky started (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 9, 12:29:46
        
        Under Rutland Water? (n/m) (General Chat) - malkybarkid, Aug 9, 12:31:55
        
        yeah (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 9, 12:34:29
    - Indeed. And why? (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 9, 12:23:37
    - ^^^^ this is the first straight answer in my opinion. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 9, 12:21:10
      - It's a hard life for these kids (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 9, 12:22:55
        
        I love how people are using the ownership of iphones and blackberrys as definitive proof (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 9, 12:28:16
        
        But if you can afford them you are singificantly better off than I was (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 9, 12:46:36
        
        Blackberrys are not expensive (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 9, 12:47:43
        
        play some fucking angry birds - like other 14 year olds do (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 9, 12:31:56
        
        i do think though that society has become lazy (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 9, 12:30:47
        
        Yes, though that's largely because there's so much more available (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 9, 12:33:10
        
        We didn't ALL have those things (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 9, 12:45:27
        
        Yes. Plus we seem obessed with being 'cooler' than our parents, and making (General Chat) - megson, Aug 9, 12:41:59
        
        I thought Etch a Sketch was literally magic (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 9, 12:36:13
        
        ...and Super Flight Deck. I saved for ages for that. (n/m) (General Chat) - malkybarkid, Aug 9, 12:34:59
        
        haha (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 9, 12:28:42
        
        Yes, how dare young unemployed people have BlackBerrys! (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 9, 12:24:24
  - I think the simple reason is that I am not a chav c*** (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 9, 12:15:19
    - So many things about modern life are shit (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 9, 12:18:05
      - SO you'd obviously set fire to some houses and go looting then. Natural I suppose (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 9, 12:21:34
        
        Yes, that's *exactly* what I said (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 9, 12:22:05

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