Remember that Doc would not even have been playing lately

if Stefanovic and Kennedy hadn't got injured. Roeder made it clear when Hucks left that he wanted to build his own team and that Hucks was associated with the (failing) past.

That comment also applies to Drury, Doc, Russell up to a point, Lappin and Cureton. Croft is the only one who has come out of it well and really earned Roeder's respect. But that's because I think Crofty just loves to play and is programmed to give 100% whoever's in charge.

I think GR should have been proagmatic and kept the best of the old guard on side while gradually integrating his new team. He's tried to do it all too quickly imo.

I don't really buy the "it's all GR's fault" but I also don't buy pants' or reg's "it's all the Board's fault" either. The truth is that the Board f**ked up massively the season we went down, then hung on too long in getting rid of Worthy, then made a big mistake appointing Grant. There is also the spectre of financial mismanaqement.

But I also don't think Roeder's managerial record is so poor by accident, and his treatment of some players, strange team selections, hatred of the media and open contempt for fans all add up to a problem.

My assessment would be that blame can apportioned all over the place. But while the ideal solution would be to get a rich new owner, about 20 other clubs in better positions than us for an investor could say the same. Look at West Ham.

Short term, the only way to "change things" would be to sack the manager. I'm not saying it would guarantee survival but neither would it guarantee relegation. And how many owners of private companies decide to sack themselves, or give away their business, if things aren't going well? They always sack someone else....

Posted By: duke of york on January 3rd 2009 at 11:42:22

Message Thread

Adam Aitken sticking the boot into Roeder in the EDP (NCFC) - KentonCanary, Jan 3, 10:10:23
- The Nigel Worthington scenario? (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jan 3, 14:14:05
- all true imo (n/m) (NCFC) - selwyn, Jan 3, 13:11:55
- To be fair... (NCFC) - harry boulders, Jan 3, 12:10:15
  - To be fair... (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Jan 3, 12:32:35
    - we know that they sought the advice of a footballing legend (NCFC) - blindasabat, Jan 3, 13:05:26
    - yeah I know, Grant turning out shite, and Roeder failing is coming from hindsight (n/m) (NCFC) - harry boulders, Jan 3, 12:39:11
    - We know Martin Allen was (NCFC) - duke of york, Jan 3, 12:37:14
      - Mike Newell confirmed that he had an interview too (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Jan 3, 13:06:14
        
        Roeder spounds a better choice minute by minute (n/m) (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Jan 3, 13:08:34
      - Well then (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Jan 3, 12:40:55
        
        There are probably about 20 out of work (NCFC) - duke of york, Jan 3, 12:42:45
        
        So if we sack today who will apply? (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Jan 3, 12:44:47
- It's one the most anti-NCFC pieces I've seen (NCFC) - KentonCanary, Jan 3, 11:40:02
- i can't understand all the calls for roeder to go ........ (NCFC) - lmc, Jan 3, 11:10:11
  - agree, but, your suggestion isn't very exciting is it? (NCFC) - pants, Jan 3, 11:14:20
    - i won't bite, haha!! (n/m) (NCFC) - lmc, Jan 3, 11:15:45
      - I agree though (NCFC) - pants, Jan 3, 11:20:57
        
        Okay then... (NCFC) - HoofinHughes, Jan 3, 11:32:40
        
        lol (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 3, 11:36:19
        
        Just as i thought, you have no clue what the real issues are with the club (NCFC) - HoofinHughes, Jan 3, 11:55:38
        
        hahahahahhahahahaa (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 3, 12:05:46
        
        The thing is there was alot of hostility directed at Roeder during and after the game (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 3, 11:24:50
        
        Roeder's problem is that he could be coming across like a saint in this situation. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 3, 11:23:05
        
        his mouth & arrogance is his problem, I also said to my bro at the AGM (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 3, 11:26:38
        
        Presumably he doesn't then (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Jan 3, 11:27:59
        
        I agree, I would presume that Hoolahan, Lappin, Lupoli, Fotheringham, Russell (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 3, 11:32:36
        
        Remember that Doc would not even have been playing lately (NCFC) - duke of york, Jan 3, 11:42:22
        
        Well it's always the boards fault (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Jan 3, 12:28:56
        
        He did give doc a years contract (NCFC) - pants, Jan 3, 12:08:39
        
        yep fair point. (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Jan 3, 12:05:06
        
        Have to say, that pretty much sums up everything i'd want to say (NCFC) - HoofinHughes, Jan 3, 11:58:57
  - plus when has sacking managers once a season got a footballclub anywhere?? (NCFC) - lmc, Jan 3, 11:12:56
    - I don't want Roeder sacked, I agree he has made some good signings I think our (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 3, 11:16:47
      - Think Stefanovic was making a huge difference. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 3, 11:19:12
        
        could do with a 'footballing' centre back who plays a nice pass (NCFC) - lmc, Jan 3, 11:22:15
        
        Doc is very good at recovering after his initial mistakes, (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 3, 11:25:40
        
        People mocked when it was said that Doc is one of the quickest (NCFC) - duke of york, Jan 3, 11:31:36
        
        I think I might have been one...but he has looked quick this season...although remember... (NCFC) - Brandonio, Jan 3, 11:39:50
        
        1min 32secs in (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Jan 3, 11:41:13
        
        Haha, yes, I did think of that (NCFC) - duke of york, Jan 3, 11:44:44
        
        Stef was very good albeit slow but a very calming influence since his injury (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 3, 11:21:19
      - they are the common demoninator in all our problems (NCFC) - lmc, Jan 3, 11:18:25
        
        trouble is he's started to piss me off, he should either put up or bugger off and say nowt (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 3, 11:19:50
        
        He pissed me off as soon as he became interested with his terry tibbs attitude (NCFC) - pants, Jan 3, 11:25:01
        
        I would have loved Cullum involved, I know people who know him I also am aware of (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 3, 11:30:31
        
        Make Something Shit Good (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Jan 3, 11:33:34
        
        he's not god. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 3, 11:34:17
    - Yeah, but that's exciting innit, and we can all go home and wash our hands of the (NCFC) - pants, Jan 3, 11:15:54
- "Our directors, too, have a lot of questions to answer about the state of the club" (NCFC) - The Judge, Jan 3, 10:43:51
  - yeah but I've never seen anything like this, ever ever ever ever ever (NCFC) - pants, Jan 3, 11:08:58
  - what disturbs me more is our Boards reluctance to take any sort of (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 3, 10:55:09
    - I may have mentioned it before (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Jan 3, 11:25:15
    - Most sensible thing I've read (NCFC) - pants, Jan 3, 11:19:49
      - Problem is, there's little we can do to get rid (NCFC) - duke of york, Jan 3, 11:33:50
        
        people won't renew season tickets probably 25% the club is struggling for income (NCFC) - lovely old job, Jan 3, 11:37:01
- He's 100% right (n/m) (NCFC) - LincolnshireCanary, Jan 3, 10:22:30
  - Well... (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Jan 3, 10:27:35
- As he is also the EDPs Personal Finance Editor can .. (NCFC) - trustsec, Jan 3, 10:18:55
- Yes, but its all deserved in my opinion. We dont have clue what the team will be from one (NCFC) - shoddy, Jan 3, 10:18:16
- Geoffrey Howe (n/m) (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Jan 3, 10:16:27
  - ha ha, not quite, but see your point. (n/m) (NCFC) - shoddy, Jan 3, 10:18:58

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