I think a lot of the problem

Linked to what OG says and I agree with is that left wing people “hate” the Tories mainly for what Thatcher did to inequality in this country. They have a deep rooted resentment of that and were, in a lot of cases, brought up to hate the Tories due to this and to view them as evil. Whereas Tory families don’t “hate” the left or things they’ve done. Now that’s partly because the damage caused by the aforementioned inequality in this country would certainly cause more hatred than the left putting taxes on the rich up or other such ideological moves on their side not least because it left a lot of families in desperate times.

There is nothing wrong with someone in the modern day believing that capitalism and free market economics, reduced state involvement and other such Tory principles is the route forward. I think it needs the addition of helping the vulnerable in our society and actually a lot of the Tory MPs would agree on that. They’re not all Thatcherites. Indeed moving forward reduced state involvement may become key to the UKs success due to the fact we are no longer a world super power, growth will struggle and we are not attractive for investment. The tax take will struggle to keep up with our current spending. A huge restructuring to how and what we spend on will be needed at some point and hopefully the people who need help from the government and public services can get it but boy is it going to be messy.

The trouble is deep routed resentment, sneering and name calling comes across as crass and inflames poor political debates instead of nurturing good, healthy debate. Social media has caused a lot of the issues here as people can hide behind keyboards and say more extreme things on both sides of the spectrum. It has lead to more populism.

I voted Lib Dem all my life until two elections ago despite harbouring more Tory beliefs. Because it was for the best for our local area given our fantastic MP we had.

Posted By: Tony Martin on November 22nd 2024 at 10:07:43

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NBTT (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 22, 07:58:00
- For me it's simply the toxicity, no matter what views are being expressed (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 22, 14:00:45
  - 🙏 (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Nov 22, 15:31:41
  - Yes, that's good stuff OM (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 22, 14:46:19
  - Yep nailed it..... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 22, 14:30:46
- I think a lot of the problem (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Nov 22, 10:07:43
  - Great post (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 22, 10:12:43
    - 🙏 (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Nov 22, 11:18:27
- Fair enough, Phil (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 22, 10:00:04
  - You’re doing this all wrong (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 22, 10:19:35
  - x (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 22, 10:02:02
- Remember it's a football forum. People need to reset their expectation for the level of (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Nov 22, 09:38:57
- International breaks have a lot to answer for on here (n/m) (General Chat) - LowestoftBoy, Nov 22, 09:06:07
- 2. Trolls / unpleasantness. (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 22, 08:28:03
- Yeah I completely agree (n/m) (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 22, 08:24:55
  - And of course, one of unpleasant trolls doesn't agree. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 22, 08:40:49
    - Don't reply lol (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 22, 08:55:13
      - Most of your posts start with some kind of abuse (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 22, 09:15:04
        
        Fair enough I respect your opinion (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 22, 09:33:21
        
        I actually agree that you do get quite a lot of abuse on here (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 22, 12:40:00
        
        I don't care about myself - they/words don't bother me (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 22, 13:49:16
        
        and to add... (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 22, 12:43:16
- Quickly adding (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Nov 22, 08:06:17
  - who has used words like flid or spaz (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 22, 08:57:01
    - Nobody.....Haterz make shit up to fit their agenda/fantasy. (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 22, 11:55:00
      - narcissism alert. The term 'div' was used yesterday. Go check (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Nov 22, 12:02:53
        
        so now my behaviour is Narcissistic .... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 22, 13:33:31
        
        So you made up Flid and Spaz..... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 22, 12:37:01
        
        I said about this controlling behaviour the other day, demanding proof (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Nov 22, 15:36:37
        
        Im not the one making shit up..... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 22, 16:59:21
        
        Word for word read it (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Nov 22, 17:14:10
        
        You need to take your lumps and move on.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 22, 17:23:56
        
        I haven't make anything up. I've quoted it and over explained it to you (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Nov 22, 17:32:08
        
        Oh I see.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 22, 18:06:04
        
        No it's not that. This is now mental gymnastics, (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Nov 22, 18:22:33
        
        You literally quoted two words that nobody has been saying... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 22, 23:07:49
        
        🤏 (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Nov 23, 00:02:42
  - Definitely (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 22, 08:19:36
    - So you basically agree with the lie above. (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 22, 12:40:42

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