A minor point...

After the 2016 referendum, we had the 2017 GE. Labour won 262 seats. 149 were leave. 113 remain. By constituencies Labour more leave than remain. Wonder why labour have their 'no plan to rejoin EU' policy?

Then; Jeremy Hunt remain, Matt Hancock remain, Liz Truss remain, Theresa May remain, Phillip Hammond remain, David Cameron remain, George Osbourne remain, John Major remain, Ken Clarke remain. it was Thatcher who took the UK into the EEC opposed by traditional Labour - Foot, Benn (and Corbyn). Scargill leave. Bob Crow leave. CBI remain. Dianne Abbott described Corbyn as a life long Brexiteer.

IMHO, a lot of the issues in UK politics over the last 8 years stem from this desperate desire to misrepresent brexit as simply right wing. Traditional Labour, Scargill, unions, 'red wall' = leave. Tony (I remember him being called Tory Blair - do you?) Blair London vegan sandals Labour = remain. Traditional Jeremy Hunt CBI Tories remain. Eurosceptic Rees Mogg Blue passport Tories = leave. Actual left and actual right are leave. Centrists remain.

Sunak doesn't represent the leave Tories so they opt for reform. The real worry is that if leave Labour don't think the party represents them, they will also go reform. then we will really be in the s**t.

This is also getting way too many words but - I am Swiss. look at the countries near(ish) us. Italy far right, biggest party in France far right, biggest part in Belgium far right, biggest party in Netherlands far right, second biggest party in Germany far right, biggest party in Austria far right. Orban in Hungary, Proudly anti LGBT law and justice party biggest party in Poland. How far right would it have to become before this started to concern the rabid 'brexit is fascist' crowd. It is concerning me...

Posted By: Timmy_Goat on July 4th 2024 at 14:15:22

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Well we really ought to have a predictions thread. (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Jul 4, 10:50:34
- Tories 93 Reform 4 (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jul 4, 21:29:46
- up via the playoffs (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Jul 4, 12:38:32
- Lb 399, Cn 144, LD 56, SNP 24, SF 7, DUP 6,PC 4,Grn 3,SDLP 2,WP1,All 1,Ref 1,UUP 1,Ind 1 (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Breadstick, Jul 4, 11:42:54
- Lib Dems win North Norfolk. Lab gain Norwich North (n/m) (General Chat) - revsimon, Jul 4, 11:22:03
- Labour 435, Con 97, Lib Dem 74, SNP 17, Reform 3, Green 2 (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 11:11:42
- Reform a little more successful than we might expect. Labour majority. (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Jul 4, 11:10:16
  - Labour majority? Steady on now! (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 11:10:38
    - Yeah. It’s a foregone conclusion of course. But more concerned about (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Jul 4, 11:17:26
      - Hard agree (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 11:21:43
        
        These people have no remorse. That’s the problem. If Farage achieves fuck all it (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Jul 4, 11:30:37
        
        Blimey spot on 👏 (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jul 4, 11:40:12
        
        Interesting how the dar right in Germany and France get traction (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 11:33:14
        
        Arguably Brexit was caused by a small, but vocal right wing (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Jul 4, 13:01:55
        
        Yes - albeit, the forces of Brexit could be put down to wider disillusionment? (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 13:06:28
        
        A minor point... (General Chat) - Timmy_Goat, Jul 4, 14:15:22
        
        Good post - thanks. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 14:30:19
        
        its called proportional representation. (n/m) (General Chat) - fal5taff, Jul 4, 12:00:23
        
        Yes - said that below (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 12:06:43
        
        It also gives cunts a voice so it’s a tricky one tbf (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jul 4, 12:03:31
        
        You think they are not getting traction? (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Jul 4, 11:38:25
        
        You're right that we should always be on our guard (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 11:40:34
        
        In some ways yes, in some ways no. (General Chat) - megson, Jul 4, 13:37:37
        
        *far* (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 11:37:41
    - 🤣 (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jul 4, 11:11:45
- Lab 450 Con 105 Lib Dem 55 SNP 14 Plaid 4 Reform 3 Green 2 DUP6 SF 7 All 3 SDLP2 (n/m) (General Chat) - revsimon, Jul 4, 11:05:34
- Labour Majority 250 so Labour 445, Conservative 120, Lib Dems 41, SNP 15, Plaid 4, Green 3 (General Chat) - Kangol Canary, Jul 4, 11:00:08
- I predict that Sunak will still be wearing that blue jumper (General Chat) - BSE Canary, Jul 4, 10:55:12
  - I predict Sunak to retain his seat... (General Chat) - Timmy_Goat, Jul 4, 13:32:35
- Labour 445, Tories 110, Lib Dems 50, Reform 2, Green 2 (General Chat) - Old Man, Jul 4, 10:51:40
  - Reform 2 (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Jul 4, 10:58:20
    - Given the sort of people you probably know, that's hardly surprising (General Chat) - CB41, Jul 4, 11:42:26
      - the sort of people who don't work in HR departments (General Chat) - paulg, Jul 4, 15:51:51
        
        Pretty scummy thing to say (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 15:55:59
        
        I'm not keen on snobbishness, that's all (General Chat) - paulg, Jul 4, 16:10:39
        
        That's a fair point (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 16:22:17
      - You have no idea (n/m) (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Jul 4, 12:05:52
    - This explains a lot (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jul 4, 11:06:57
      - Siri: please can I have the dictionary definition of an echo chamber? (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 11:09:06
        
        Does't seem to grasp the FPTP voting system (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jul 4, 11:12:14
        
        Or the demographic spread (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 11:14:33
        
        You stay in you're little bubble... (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Jul 4, 11:23:10
        
        haha, indeed (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jul 4, 11:19:50
        
        Yep, not a clue about FPTP (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 11:29:46
        
        But *you’re* in a bubble apparently (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jul 4, 11:38:57
        
        Perhaps he could tell us how many seats he thinks Reform will win (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 11:41:56
        
        I said in my first post more than 2 Phillip (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Jul 4, 11:57:00
        
        Not trolling, just curious, what is it that the people in those areas want and (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jul 4, 12:08:40
        
        Well I suppose three is still more than two (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jul 4, 11:58:20
        
        Well even I think it will be more than two 😄 (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 12:10:37
        
        Tongue still firmly up that arse! and you still continue to jump on my posts (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Jul 4, 11:24:35
        
        Couldn’t let your ludicrous comment slide this time (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jul 4, 11:38:16
    - Yarmouth deffo Labour BMTP (General Chat) - Kangol Canary, Jul 4, 11:00:59
      - I think Yarmouth might go Reform (General Chat) - norwaay, Jul 4, 11:09:46
        
        I cannot think of a town more Reform than Yarmouth. Like they were born for each other. (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Jul 4, 11:34:03

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