If you've ever read Homicide by David Simon
it's got an account of an actual trial verdict and the jurors talked afterwards about why they voted the way they did - an obviously guilty man was found guilty, but the reasons were...not great...
It's held up as the gold standard but the experience of Old Woman (I've never been called) who has served as a juror back up what you say. It's all very arbitrary and it all depends on the prejudices and opinions of the jurors much more than what the law says or what is said in court.
It's hard to think of an alternative though. Professional jurors are evaluated on what grounds - "you came to the wrong verdict here"? That's a very slippery slope.
Mind you in the US the top court is blatantly politically partisan with at least two of the judges on it openly accepting lavish "hospitality" from big donors to the party which appointed them. The very fact that they discuss the split between "conservative" and "liberal" judges sends shivers down my spine. Contrast with our own senior judges who if nothing else are fiercely independent and rightly so.
Posted By: Old Man on March 1st 2024 at 13:12:54
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- the jury:murder trial last night on channel 4 *spoiler* (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 1, 12:27:31
- A colleague of mine is one of the jurors. He's says there's more stories but can't say yet (n/m) (General Chat) - col canary, Mar 1, 20:20:00
- Thing is though…. (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Mar 1, 13:52:51
- You are right it was a Norwich Crown Court case from 2013 [spoiler] (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Mar 1, 13:50:39
- *ass (n/m) (General Chat) - MonkeyPuzzle, Mar 1, 13:43:06
- If you've ever read Homicide by David Simon (General Chat) - Old Man, Mar 1, 13:12:54
- thanks for the book recommend i will seek it out (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 1, 13:30:27
- well in the case of denmark the judge has the right to overturn a guilty verdict (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 1, 13:29:46
- Incidentally, David Simon wrote another book, "The Corner" (General Chat) - Old Man, Mar 1, 13:14:14
- Interesting watch, waiting for OG to give us view from the Woolsack (General Chat) - Worthing Yellow, Mar 1, 12:40:49
- f1 spoiler 🏎️💨 (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 1, 13:01:53
- Aerodynamics in F1 on Channel 4 last night, caution spoiler alert. (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Mar 1, 12:36:17
- 😁 (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Mar 1, 13:36:22
- LITLOLLO (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 1, 12:47:13
- 😄 (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Mar 1, 12:44:22
- and the answer is (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 1, 12:35:45
- maybe look at other countries and see what they get up to (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 1, 12:46:00
- Seems sensible (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 1, 12:49:55
- seems to work like this (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 1, 12:57:44
- Seems sensible (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 1, 12:49:55
- Professional juries (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 1, 12:39:16
- you dont fancy it then (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 1, 12:42:59
- Was a bit of a ball ache tbh (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 1, 12:49:32
- you dont fancy it then (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 1, 12:42:59
- maybe look at other countries and see what they get up to (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 1, 12:46:00
- Did the blinkered minds go innocent or guilty? (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 1, 12:35:05
- not guilty wasn't an option, murder or manslaughter by "loss of control" (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 1, 12:49:41
- Blimey will give it a watch (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 1, 12:51:28
- so you got sent down on a majority verdict then (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 1, 12:36:50
- I was on the jury (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 1, 12:38:11
- Oh i see , just that you said "My Trial" (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 1, 12:41:18
- Yep my only trial (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 1, 12:47:57
- i think we all commit some sort of criminal act .... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 1, 12:53:49
- They’re a lot better than they were tbh (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 1, 12:58:48
- i think we all commit some sort of criminal act .... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 1, 12:53:49
- Yep my only trial (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 1, 12:47:57
- Oh i see , just that you said "My Trial" (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 1, 12:41:18
- I was on the jury (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 1, 12:38:11
- not guilty wasn't an option, murder or manslaughter by "loss of control" (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 1, 12:49:41
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