Yes, I agree with all of that

I don’t like this narrative that Wagner is an “imbecile” etc. that pops up on here, but based on the selection yesterday, it’s hard to argue with the sentiment, if not the way it’s expressed.

I think the question of whether Wagner should be sacked is more nuanced than the one Gary asks, though.

The real question is who is the best manager to take this club forward in the long term? I don’t think anyone would say it’s Wagner, but is mid season the best time to find the best possible replacement? If we sack him now, we’ll be limited to out of work managers and those that would consider leaving there current club mid season - isn’t the pool much bigger come summer?

I don’t think changing Wagner now is going to completely change our fortunes this season, so for me, sacking him isn’t the real priority, it’s finding the right replacement. And he’s not doing soooo badly that we should go for a caretaker, is he? Although, at least that option would show some intent from the club that they are committed to change, like we did at the end of the Alex Neil era.

No easy answers, Wagner isn’t the future, but I’m very keen to avoid a knee jerk appointment from a limited pool and end up with smith / Wagner Mk III and still be in the same position in 12 months time.

Posted By: SimonOTBC on December 30th 2023 at 09:56:50

Message Thread

Very good from Gary Gowers (NCFC) - norwaay, Dec 30, 09:36:49
- Gowers and MFW is full-on River-Ender (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Dec 30, 18:52:21
- is it really good? (NCFC) - Tombs, Dec 30, 10:01:00
  - I agree - they're wholly, completely, utterly inadequate to the task (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 30, 10:27:27
  - No (NCFC) - Winged Eel Creosote, Dec 30, 10:15:45
  - He’s not allowed to has to vote in cohort… (NCFC) - loz, Dec 30, 10:03:40
    - Fair points (NCFC) - norwaay, Dec 30, 10:27:17
      - Meant for tombs... but yes agree too! (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Dec 30, 10:33:56
        
        ah, didn't know he'd already advocated delia to do one (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Dec 30, 10:51:56
- Yes, I agree with all of that (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 30, 09:56:50
  - I agree with all that (NCFC) - Duck, Dec 30, 10:16:59
  - I think there is value in a mid-season appointment (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 30, 10:13:13
    - But that is partly the issue. It is much easier to prize someone away in the summer (n/m) (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 30, 10:18:22
      - Depends where they currently work (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 30, 10:23:26
  - Yes he is doing that badly. It is damaging the club (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 30, 10:02:41
    - We have a top 6 first team but not a top 6 squad. (n/m) (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 30, 10:10:13
    - Where is the evidence that we have a top 6 squad? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 30, 10:06:42
      - We have been utterly dreadful and playing the wrong formation most of the season (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 30, 10:12:18
        
        Possible, but far from certain (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 30, 10:30:24
    - We've sacked managers mid season for the last two years. (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 30, 10:04:45
      - Alex Neil was midseason. then got us promoted (n/m) (NCFC) - pab, Dec 30, 10:21:29
        
        I think we had a very clearly underperforming squad (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 30, 10:27:31
        
        One swallow does not a summer make (n/m) (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 30, 10:24:25
        
        Steve Cooper, Carrick (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 30, 10:45:03
        
        Haha. Touché (n/m) (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 30, 10:47:01
      - Because we chose bad replacements (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 30, 10:12:48
      - We keep picking up dinosaurs rather than … (NCFC) - loz, Dec 30, 10:08:00
        
        It’s very easy to type on WOTB (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 30, 10:28:48
        
        I agree, which is why the next appointment needs to be right and not knee jerk (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 30, 10:09:40
        
        Yep, my thoughts exactly (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 30, 10:13:11
  - "Retard" rather than "imbecile" for Jim! 😀 (n/m) (NCFC) - JD3, Dec 30, 10:02:15
    - It seems to vary between the two 😂😂 (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 30, 10:03:20
      - I’m sorry I will try not to but I just find it so frustrating (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 30, 10:10:53
        
        Yes, fair enough. I must say, last night’s selection seemed bizarre (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 30, 10:37:37
  - I think you have a point (NCFC) - norwaay, Dec 30, 09:59:25
    - Yes, that’s what I think (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 30, 10:01:24
      - Andy Hooves (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 30, 10:13:58
      - Spanish chap couldn’t be any worse surely ? (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 30, 10:04:39
        
        He probably could. But yes, he might be ok (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 30, 10:08:13
        
        There's nothing to hint that he would be any better (n/m) (NCFC) - Winged Eel Creosote, Dec 30, 10:08:03
- Pretty much spot on (n/m) (NCFC) - DH Yellow, Dec 30, 09:45:46
- Imagine if Pukki or Emi were dropped after one quiet game (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 30, 09:45:27
  - Its sounds weird but *apart from the goals* Rowe has been poor for several games (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 30, 10:06:17
    - I’d understand it if we had other options capable of scoring (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 30, 10:16:03
      - Like I say, I think it is a fitness issue they are managing that they want to keep hush (n/m) (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 30, 10:25:26
        
        I'm inclined to agree. Young player, (NCFC) - Azteca, Dec 30, 11:26:35
        
        Exactly this (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 30, 11:51:48
  - Fasnacht is really great though (NCFC) - lurd, Dec 30, 09:47:01
- It’s a good article 👏 (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 30, 09:39:30
- Rowe was dropped but onel and Barnes keep playing 🤔 (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 30, 09:37:29

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