yep, that's a great point

there's always going to be a big grey area with fouls, and particularly with penalties given their importance. And you'll never get one of those grey area penalties without trying to convince the ref in some way.

Perhaps, with VAR now awarding so many of them, it's time to get rid of penalties for offences that don't deny a goalscoring opportunity. Historically there was always a higher bar to award a penalty than a foul elsewhere on the pitch, but it's not the case any more. It doesn't feel as though the punishment fits the crime anymore.

Giving a free kick where Sterling was fouled perhaps would have been the fairest solution.

Posted By: Mecagoenti on July 8th 2021 at 10:15:58

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Diving .. (Other Football) - paulg, Jul 8, 10:02:10
- I actually think defenders should be allowed to nudge someone off balance like that (Other Football) - mr carra, Jul 8, 10:20:50
  - I agree with that. Shoulder-to-shoulder and all that was always part of the game (Other Football) - Old Man, Jul 8, 13:05:57
    - It was contact with his hip though, not shoulder (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 8, 13:08:23
      - Knee first, then hip. I just do not get the idea that it was a dive (Other Football) - Old Git, Jul 8, 13:17:02
        
        yep, anyone who is still claiming it is a dive after seeing that video below (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Jul 8, 13:35:22
- And also ... (Other Football) - paulg, Jul 8, 10:08:29
- But it was a foul (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 8, 10:07:31
  - This. If he doesn't touch him, there's no pen. (n/m) (Other Football) - megson, Jul 8, 14:54:37
  - I haver a bit on this ... (Other Football) - paulg, Jul 8, 10:10:35
    - I think it was necessary to fall when fouled (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 8, 10:14:09
- I don't think it was a dive (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Jul 8, 10:07:25
  - Football has got into a daft situation on this one for me (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Jul 8, 10:09:46
    - yep, that's a great point (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Jul 8, 10:15:58
      - Nah would just encourage fouling (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 8, 10:17:41
        
        you could still award penalties when a clear chance is denied (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Jul 8, 10:20:38
        
        Imagine the length of a VAR call on whether something was "a deliberate foul" (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 8, 10:24:28
        
        I think it could reduce VAR time (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Jul 8, 10:26:45
        
        Yes - penalties should only be awarded if it is absolutely certain (Other Football) - mr carra, Jul 8, 10:30:44
        
        Rarely see goals from them when there’s a back pass (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 8, 10:23:23
        
        yeah, but that is an indirect free kick (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Jul 8, 10:25:33
        
        Still very difficult to beat the wall so close up (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 8, 10:29:06
    - Exactly. He probably *could* have stayed up (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 8, 10:15:18
  - Exactly (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 8, 10:09:14
    - this is making me feel far happier, keep going ... (Other Football) - paulg, Jul 8, 10:12:01
      - Stonewall (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 8, 10:47:43
        
        The replies to that from the anti-England brigade. Hilarious (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 8, 11:03:39
        
        Defo regret cheering on Wales now! (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jul 8, 11:27:52
        
        I stopped doing that a while ago (Other Football) - jamesward, Jul 8, 11:33:07
        
        Yes - that's a great angle (Other Football) - paulg, Jul 8, 10:58:24

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